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It's about simplicity. Things work better when they are black and white.

I can't access that one because it's behind a paywall. But the gist of most of those reports is that vaxed are still going to transmit but have a significantly lower level of hospitalization or death.

Yeah well health and aged care jobs seem an obvious one. I guess I mean once we get a more open environment cv-19 will be allowed in to the population group (there's no barrier via lockdown etc) and once its 'gone through' the population the ongoing need for these measure will be limited. Some...

If the vaccine is as effective at preventing serious illness as the early reports seems then I think that once everyone that wants to get vaccinated is vaccinated then I think things will open up. I doubt we get herd immunity for those that are unable to get it but as the cv virus is novel it...

Hopefully we live in a society where people care about the most vulnerable but there are are societies out there where a person's personal freedom supposedly trumps that. The stupid app doesn't even work but if your not getting on some kind of personal security concerns you're a bit naive - I'm...

Also good that Trump is facilitating the hydroxychloroquine monkey trial.

Re vaccination, I feel like we've gone so far down the rabbit hole that we know longer know: Who we can trust? What is reality? Who these scientists really work for? etc etc. We need some kind of reset on the whole issue. We should take some high profile anti-vaxxers, Pete Evans types, rugby...

Did I say I wanted jalapeno.

I'm a Victorian and, yeah, we're all toting those posters atm. Everyone's got their own spin on it - she's got aborted human fetal cells in her vaccine I've got mind control drugs and bromide.

No conspiracy is worth it's salt if it's not backed by a bit of old testament prophesy.

The only good thing is the fact that they don't have guns. Imagine a country where all these lunatics had assault weapons.

These arguments - never really end do they? Statist Parasite: We are going to take your tax money and use it to spend on cancer patients. Sky News watcher: But I didn't choose that. SP: Yeah, but we think that collectively we can develop an asset that is better for society as a whole SNW: But...

But it's not simple, it's not that binary. If you accept the idea that you can't live in a country where you don't pay taxes then you have to accept that your taxes will be used for things that you personally don't agree with. You and me don't get to choose. If I'm a pacifist I can't say to you...

You don't get to choose your own degree of individualism within society; it's determined by the majority and previous generations. You don't have the choice to own an assault rifle, you don't choose to not contribute to socialised medicine, you can't choose not to contribute to military...

Recent events have pretty well proven the value of socialised assets relative to private ones. Again because they serve the interests of the collective. This kind of virulent laissez faire ideology is a very recent phenomena. The extension of this is that during the bushfires only those paying a...

I'm trying bro. I googled it but there's a lot of disinformation out there. There's a youtube vid by the Law of Liberty and they lay out the truth as you say, can't believe no ones joined the dots before, but this guy he just pulls it all together. I'm worried, I downloaded the app and now I...

Sorry bro, I'm sorry. I looked it up and I definitely think that you are on to something. It's probably worth having you step us through some of the connections. Is Bill Gates behind the creation of the covid virus? When do you see Gates rolling out his vaccine? To what extent do you think it...

This is a brilliant troll to make Trumpist conspiracists look stupid. I love 'these all facts.' Well played, sir.

The ABC is, realistically, center left but has always been like that as far as I can remember. That's not due to any great mystery but rather because it employs professional journalists and most of them would roll that way as a professional group. There's no real comparison with the commercial...

Well I'll take a crack. Bolt hates Global warming scientists. He also hates medical experts that predicted catastrophic consequences for Australia if they didn't enact social distancing measures. These scientists in the latter case were basing their observations on other countries where 10's of...

There's footage of Trump meeting pharma execs early on and just being completely clueless when it comes to vaccines. Bill Gates has also spoken about this. The guy just didn't 'get' it, on a comprehension level. He was basically calling it 'fake news,' which has worked for everything else.

I'm not outraged. I keep an eye on Sky/Fox because it's fascinating watching the far right's tug on the Libs even though its as poisonous for them as anything too left is on Labor. Usually the stuff that they are on about flows through to Morrison a few week's later. I also, weirdly, agree with...

Bolt: 'On The Bolt Report on Sky at 7pm: Waleed Aly and Anthony Albanese say we must now trust global warming experts like we trusted virus experts. Oh, really?' He bangs on about this continually - about why the scientific consensus is wrong about global warming - he now doing the same about...

Herald Sun tossbag Andrew Bolt is saying that we shouldn't listen to 'experts'. He's conflating the CV19 with his anti warming agenda. This is where it's heading.

I didn't mention Shorten. He probably would be as big a dud as Morrison and probably for the reasons that you say.

You're right he was called a racist by the far left, no one is saying that now. Howard banned semi automatic weapons and took the hit from the far right he said he's stop the boats and took it from the left. Everything Keating did was politically unpopular. Right now Dan Andrews in Victoria is...

I can kind of see that. I think when the penny dropped he did okay. It's about timing though - the mandatory two week quarantine should have been done earlier. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure we only did that after New Zealand. It's as if Jacinda Adhern is sitting around thinking a)...

a) Yes it is speculating. I'm speculating that the other leaders were better equipped to deal with this. b) "It would be naive to think that Abbott would act on his own thinking." Lets just leave that sentence there by itself. c) The Murdoch press is running hard on this calling out China side...

Every one of those other leaders had the ticker to institute, or attempt, major reform - whether you agree with the politics or not, they were leaders. This government was elected without any mandate for change, because they took nothing to the election. It was a weird election where we voted...