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Carlton may have a decent team now, but at least I've got the sweet memories of a recent flag and 30 odd years or so of Carlton being absolute garbage.

Collingwood for me. Carlton are a good team but they haven't won anything for a long time and that pervasive sense of failure is ingrained now at a molecular level. The new generation has been brought up expecting failure and the small moments of success have only been followed by failure...

This is gold.

The salt makes it better. #extrasalt.

Why all this discussion about the MCG, Collingwood finished top and would have always been seeded top for a home final anyway. A lot of salt tbh.

I think this is about right, some players do hit an early ceiling - I think he will probably end up Judd like, explosive first few seasons then settle in to being a very good player, perhaps the best going around without the kind of Dusty goat vibe. He does have that level of vision and kicking...

Yeah I'd swap him for Bowery in a second, because backing into packs is more important than being good at actual football. In fact I wish my whole team didn't do anything accept back into packs. We mightn't win many games but we would get kudos from the hard men of bigfooty.

You could say that about more modern athletic player... Players in Breteretons day were built for collisions, but to the point where they would just struggle to keep up with modern game in terms of running. Brereton himself would struggle with the modern game because his chicken legs couldn't...

To me he's more like Judd than any other player.

Kind of sad that there are clowns deriding a terrific young player because he has some imagined deficiency like 'soft' - surely the days where you had to regularly risk severe concussion just to prove some misguided idea of masculinity are passed. I always thought it was sad that Jonathon Brown...

Look stupid is a bit harsh... I think we would have preferred Maynard on him and prefer not to use Moore 1:1 on a smaller quick player, but, that said, this was the first I've really seen of him and yes he looks like an absolute gun.

They need to bottom out and get some high draft picks....

Jeez, this comment has aged well.

People always overestimate on the unbeatable stuff. Richmond can't be beaten, Geelong can't be beaten... etc, until they are are. In reality it's a game of fine margins and most of the top recent teams have just had a blessed run with injuries. Already with a Howe out, there is a massive chink...

I'm all for this (it should be like the top seeded team from the home and away get the final) but there should also be COLA for Melbourne teams as well given the cost of living there relative to say Geelong.

If I had to pick a club for him it would be Carlton. We probably need to let go of the overly negative football - Carlton have been soft for so long it would likely do them good.

Lyon would fit the Pies in the sense that we are already geared toward some pretty negative type football, pretty much since Malthouse we've been defense first. With Malthouse it was an all over he ground thing, with Buckley we've able to absorb a huge amount of pressure in the defensive 50...

It's not a popular opinion. But this conspiracy theory stuff is just a total endless circle. There so many variables that go into winning a game and you want to focus on one and bang on about it endlessly. Get over it. West Coast have been a good team for a long time, so was Hawthorn - they get...

Umpiring is more less always the same and never really costs you the game. What's killing the game is people bitching about umpiring. The statistics that get floated around with teams with a high % of frees over the last decade is a basic correlation of teams that have been successful and morons...

No I guess not. Good call.

The Collingwood fans that bood Reiwoldt were dickheads. The Hawthorn fans that bood Ablett were dickheads. The fans that bood Goodes were racist dickheads. The Essendon fans booing on Anzac day, during an award ceremony, were next level, but ultimately just dickheads. If anything, this really...

Not goggles, just get sick of fktards bitching about umpiring. We played pretty bad and if we lost I would have said we lost because we played bad. People booing in a presentation like that is embarrassing and it doesn't just make Essendon supporters look like crass disrespectful bogans, but all...

Doesn't look good for Essendon there. They're lucky to be able to play on ANZAC day. I don's see how a few dodgy decisions in the last minute 'cost them the game' - they were butchering the ball so much its unlikely taking possession would have helped. The booing just makes them look like...

A lot of modern football is about innovation. The Pies of 2010/11 really had a new thing going with the forward pressure and playing down the line and incorporated a bit of the Hawthorn rolling zone of the same era. I don't see the Tiges doing much that is new but they took all around numbers at...

People overrating Martin based on one stellar season last year but this year just hasn't been near that level. Danger hasn't been great either but did it for longer before then. I'd say Martin's best is better, but I'd take prime Danger for consistency.

Tigers game is a good game for finals. Predictions here are all bullshit. No one knows. The dogs couldn't win last year. Get excited Tiges fans.

Tiges can't win it. Dogs couldn't win lat year either... until they did.

I think they're a show - really in the sense that they're not the best team, Adelaide is, but their game is built for finals intensity, bit like Malthouse Collingwood. They'll also have massive hype going into the game and will have an absolutely rabbid crowd (by GF standards). Dogs last year...

I think this thread has a lot a filler - it's becoming like a lot bigfooty threads: cesspits of half baked ideas as people take out the frustrations of their otherwise unhappy and miserable lives, often linked to the fact that their own football clubs lack the kind of history and success of the...

From a Collingwood perspective, this is how I see it. The young talent has promise and broadly the team is well placed. The price for Treloar is probably overs but they made a decision based on overall list quality and thought they had what they needed. I wouldn't think that the list is like a...