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how did he help? Clearing out the christmas mail backlog?

Sun - And Pele will be remembered primarily as a New York Cosmos player (using the logic in this thread) Ablett will be remembered long after the safety vest stain of the Suns is forgotten.

Not to mention one of those captains has a wooden and the other doesn't ;) FWIW - great as Selwood was, Voss was clearly the better player. As captains - nothing to really split them on the field, off the field, the nod goes to Selwood.

The prob with Carlton's midfield is that Murphy and Gibbs haven't quite stepped from 'potential elite' to 'elite'. Maybe they will will this year, but maybe they won't.