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The last two times we were woefully out of form and they were on their hot streaks. The old ones where both teams were **** I don't care even a little about.

Bogey teams are ones whose gamestyle counters yours so well that even playing well you're unlikely to win. The Hawks were a massive bogey team for Ross.

Carlton have got us at the contest (because they've always been 2-3 years ahead in the rebuild) and we're the least vulnerable we've been there in a long time, especially around the ball.