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I don't think there is a lot of difference in terms of what we don't like seeing - in fact there is more overlap than not - I know I've made the same comments re Motlop /McGovern examples as you have - the difference is that you believe that the coach could and should drop players for this or that lack of effort' - which agree with IF that type of behaviour is repeated and habitual ..and unfortunately for some senior players there are no like for like substitutes - a list issue - that isnt to excuse the player or the coach it is just a (to me ) an uncomfortable fact.