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Border and Waugh very stiff to miss.XIs (without Bradman)
Aus
Trumper
Morris
Ponting
G.Chappell
Miller
Harvey
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
O'Reilly
McGrath
WI
Greenidge
Worrell
Headley
Lara
Richards
Sobers
Dujon
Marshall
Holding
Ambrose
Gibbs/Garner
Garfield Sobers was a handy spinner.only weakness in the WI lineup is the spinner and WK. But i'd say you'd just play the 4 quicks.
Not enough David Warner as opener.. thought he was GOAT?XIs (without Bradman)
Aus
Trumper
Morris
Ponting
G.Chappell
Miller
Harvey
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
O'Reilly
McGrath
WI
Greenidge
Worrell
Headley
Lara
Richards
Sobers
Dujon
Marshall
Holding
Ambrose
Gibbs/Garner
AB de Villers I rank along with Jacques Kallis - criminally under-rated. While de Villers is spoken highly of at the moment he is rarely spoken of amongst the greats like Tendulkar and Barry Richards
He will be, will replace Morris soon if he hasn't already.Not enough David Warner as opener.. thought he was GOAT?
Sobers was so much better than Kallis it's not even comparable. Unless you base it on stats.That's because he's still playing, people will figure it out at the end of his career. Agreed on Kallis, stats wise I think he'd stack up very well against Sobers but I'm sure many old campaigners wouldn't have that comparison.
Arthur Morris is turning in his grave.He will be, will replace Morris soon if he hasn't already.
Then all you ******s who love Hayden can eat each others dicks.
Over Warner replacing him?Arthur Morris is turning in his grave.
Sobers was so much better than Kallis it's not even comparable. Unless you base it on stats.
Stats are relative to the time in which they were accumulated. I don't try and compare stats between eras because between Sobers and Kallis so many things changed. What I would look at over and above that was the players ability to influence a match and whilst Kallis is a great player - I would not have him in the same class as G.S. Sobers on that measure. Does that make me a campaigner? If so that's ok with me.Cricket is a very stats driven game, this is how we compare players and rate their input. How else would you compare them?
Kallis averaged 55 with the bat and 32 with the ball, Sobers 57 with the bat and 34 with the ball. There's no way you can say Sobers was "so much better" other than for nostalgia reasons.
Scoring rates, the load each of them took when bowling, and the way Sobers was used as a bowler. None of that's nostalgia.Cricket is a very stats driven game, this is how we compare players and rate their input. How else would you compare them?
Kallis averaged 55 with the bat and 32 with the ball, Sobers 57 with the bat and 34 with the ball. There's no way you can say Sobers was "so much better" other than for nostalgia reasons.
Stats are relative to the time in which they were accumulated. I don't try and compare stats between eras because between Sobers and Kallis so many things changed. What I would look at over and above that was the players ability to influence a match and whilst Kallis is a great player - I would not have him in the same class as G.S. Sobers on that measure. Does that make me a campaigner? If so that's ok with me.
Scoring rates, the load each of them took when bowling, and the way Sobers was used as a bowler. None of that's nostalgia.
Many more tests played by players in Kallis era and many against indifferent opposition than in Sobers eraNah that's cool, in the end it's personal opinion. I just think it's dumb to say that Kallis is nowhere near as good as Sobers, where I think the comparison is fair. To be honest I'd probably have Sobers ahead very marginally but there's stuff all in it imo.
Your point about it being hard to compare eras is valid for sure. Would be interesting to do an analysis of all rounders in Sobers' era as compared to Kallis' era and see how far each was ahead of number 2, I'll do it if I have a slow day at work this week. Of course the modern era also brought about the wicketkeeper batsman "all rounder" which would be hard to compare to a bowler-batsman, but clearly Gilchrist and Sangakarra should be recognised in some way.
What do you mean "scoring rates", as in teams scored quicker in Kallis' era? Maybe that would translate to Sobers' 57 average probably being relatively higher than Kallis', would also be interesting to do an analysis on what an "average average" is for modern era. As for Sobers' bowling you mean he took more of a load with bowling pace and spin?
What do you mean "scoring rates", as in teams scored quicker in Kallis' era? Maybe that would translate to Sobers' 57 average probably being relatively higher than Kallis', would also be interesting to do an analysis on what an "average average" is for modern era. As for Sobers' bowling you mean he took more of a load with bowling pace and spin?