It's amazing how opportunity, demand and the ablity to receive the same sort of income can change someone mind. Let's not count those chickens before they hatch.
Player Watch Tom Doedee - Departed for Brisbane, End of 1st Round FA Compensation
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It's amazing how opportunity, demand and the ablity to receive the same sort of income can change someone mind. Let's not count those chickens before they hatch.
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Would you be asking the same question if I was suggesting he would bound to become a 300 game player with a Brownlow and Norm Smith?
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Hawthorn overall have been nothing short of brilliant they have the opportunity to win 4 in a row. You make your own luck. If things don't go your way you move on, we lost players but nothing like buddy. They have drafted and recruited well so if I was any other team in the comp why wouldn't you be watching exactly what they are doing. Can't see too many other teams wanting our results can you?
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Yes.
If you suggested that you know about someone whom I had never heard about until we drafted him.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again - if we wanted Himmelberg (we obviously did), it was utterly negligent IMO to not bid on Matt Kennedy with our first pick, regardless of whether we rated Milera higher than him or not. It was universally known that GWS would match any bids from 3 onwards on both Hopper and Kennedy and we had an opportunity to make them match pick 11 for Kennedy, which was already a better result for GWS than many predicted.
Allowing Kennedy to slip through to Pick 13 meant GWS gave up less for him, meaning they had more available with which to match our subsequent Himmelberg bid than they otherwise would have. It was widely thought that GWS would not match a bid of around pick 16 for Himmelberg (if you watched the telecast you'll already know that Don Pyke certainly didn't think they were going to match), but they were able to do so because Kennedy unexpectedly fell to 13 (and Hopper also went lower than expected), so matching 16 was only on par with what a bid in the 20s would have cost them if the other two went higher.
Would bidding on Kennedy at 11 have made enough of a difference to price GWS out of matching for Himmelberg? We don't know and we never will. We were definitely also hurt by both of Melbourne and Essendon inexplicably not bidding on Hopper despite him CLEARLY being a top 5 talent in this draft, so maybe the difference between Kennedy going at 11 vs 13 wouldn't have been enough to price them out of matching Himmelberg. I just think it was ridiculous to not maximise our chances of Himmelberg, because it was pretty bloody blatant that Carlton and Richmond were going to take Curnow and Rioli in between our picks once we selected Milera, so Himmelberg was obviously next cab off the rank for us.
Oh well, what's done is done. Will be very interesting to follow the careers of Milera, Kennedy, Himmelberg, Doedee, Burton and a few others that we were known to be in heavy discussions with such as Tucker, Balic, Dunkley, Collins and even Curnow who we could have snapped up at 11 if we desired (would Milera have slipped past Carlton and Richmond to our second if we did go with Curnow? 50/50 at best but possible). Perhaps our choices will prove to be inspired. Perhaps they won't. Strap me in a time machine and I'll let you know.
Allowing Kennedy to slip through to Pick 13 meant GWS gave up less for him, meaning they had more available with which to match our subsequent Himmelberg bid than they otherwise would have. It was widely thought that GWS would not match a bid of around pick 16 for Himmelberg (if you watched the telecast you'll already know that Don Pyke certainly didn't think they were going to match), but they were able to do so because Kennedy unexpectedly fell to 13 (and Hopper also went lower than expected), so matching 16 was only on par with what a bid in the 20s would have cost them if the other two went higher.
Would bidding on Kennedy at 11 have made enough of a difference to price GWS out of matching for Himmelberg? We don't know and we never will. We were definitely also hurt by both of Melbourne and Essendon inexplicably not bidding on Hopper despite him CLEARLY being a top 5 talent in this draft, so maybe the difference between Kennedy going at 11 vs 13 wouldn't have been enough to price them out of matching Himmelberg. I just think it was ridiculous to not maximise our chances of Himmelberg, because it was pretty bloody blatant that Carlton and Richmond were going to take Curnow and Rioli in between our picks once we selected Milera, so Himmelberg was obviously next cab off the rank for us.
Oh well, what's done is done. Will be very interesting to follow the careers of Milera, Kennedy, Himmelberg, Doedee, Burton and a few others that we were known to be in heavy discussions with such as Tucker, Balic, Dunkley, Collins and even Curnow who we could have snapped up at 11 if we desired (would Milera have slipped past Carlton and Richmond to our second if we did go with Curnow? 50/50 at best but possible). Perhaps our choices will prove to be inspired. Perhaps they won't. Strap me in a time machine and I'll let you know.
My sense is that after Milera we wanted Burton however the late medical info ruled him out, the next option was to bid for the GWS player which seemed to be line ball however went against us, finally we went with Doedee who in our assessment was the best of the rest
Where did I say that? I believe I made a simple prediction. Same as someone who posts on trhe positive side of the ledger.
I'll bet you can not find any such post, stop making sh1t up.
Umm..no. Trying to rewrite history to suit your vie
It was totally inept and shows a lack of professionalism within our list management. Its also undefendable.
Himmelberg is a disaster waiting to happen.
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Yeah, the bidding all round was odd
As good as Crouch? That would far exceed even my wildest expectations for him.
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Drinking the koolaid, would be believing he was our first choice, believing we were shocked that he was available at our pick. Trusting that our recruiters know what they are doing when they have a good track record is not "drinking the koolaid"
Thinking that the club would knowingly draft a spud, or that some journalist, or anonymous blogger knows better than our full time recruiters with a proven track record is plain stupid.
I wouldn't have chosen Tom doedee at pick 13 (17) but does that mean I'm right ??
If Ogilvie was Shane rogers from Carlton with a history of misses then I'd be upset but I have a little more faith than you. Is that right ? No one knows yet
What's clear is we wanted a key forward , probably H McKay ( hence Carlton taking him early ) and definitely himmelberg as fall back
We missed them both and Doed's was our next bet
I'm definitely more upset about missing H McKay than burton but that's the beauty of this no one is right or wrong yet
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What if we don't rate Kennedy at 9? what if GWS then let us have him at 9 and we miss out on Milera who we may have rated higher just because we were trying to play strategic games?
From the above article ...
"If Doedee does get drafted – and he’s rated by some boards as a chance of being taken as early as the second round – he’ll join the list of promising basketballers that have made the transition to AFL level."
He was taken at 17, second round started at pick 24 and ended at pick 38.
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