Preview 2023 Rd 12 Carlton vs Melbourne Friday June 2 7:50PM @ MCG

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Team is in …





IN: Alex Cincotta, Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

25

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

, Lochie O'Brien

4

Lochie O'brien

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

CL

0.7

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

CL

1.0

3star

, Jack Silvagni

1

Jack Silvagni

Age

26

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

, Lewis Young

33

Lewis Young

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

197.9

3star

D

4.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

26.0

1star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

181.6

3star

OUT: Corey Durdin (knee), George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

(concussion), Ollie Hollands (collarbone), Nic Newman

24

Nic Newman

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

13.7

5star

HB

5.9

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

3.3

5star

MG

400.8

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

MG

157.0

3star

D

22.4

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

9.6

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

3.6

5star

MG

387.8

5star

(hamstring), Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

(hand), Ed Curnow

AFL team changes: Five ins for Friday

Carlton has named five returnees for Friday night football.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Alex Cincotta	Jacob Weitering	Brodie Kemp
Half-backs:	Lewis Young	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Sam Walsh
Half-forwards:	Jesse Motlop	Charlie Curnow	Jack Silvagni
Forwards:	Zac Fisher	Harry McKay	Matthew Owies
Followers:	Tom De Koning	Matthew Kennedy	Adam Cerra
Interchange:	Jordan Boyd	Matthew Cottrell	Sam Docherty
	Lochie O'Brien
Emergencies:	Ed Curnow	Paddy Dow	Lachie Fogarty
	Lachie Plowman

 

[mrb1]

For those that look at Dow's history of playing ones he is listed as playing 4 games last year. In fact, 3 of those games he was sub. It's hard to do too much when you are sub. So under Voss he has played 1 senior game. That is all.

Our ones are playing garbage football. We are too predictable and too slow in the midfield. Dow is tearing it up in the twos and needs to be given a chance to refresh our midfield. It is disappointing that he is not selected. Who will run off Cripps this week?

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[jimsta10]

I guess its better than "Do they what we're cooking"

 

[The Toad]

I might lock the thread around 6.19PM

Don’t even joke about something like this. It’s one of the highlights of my week. Best laugh ever.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I actually wanted Dow to play but I don’t get this talk about selection integrity. Playing Dow, Cripps and Kennedy in the same midfield would just be repeating the mistakes we have been making all season with team balance.
The talk about playing Walsh on a wing does my head in, we need two way running mids, we have one and apparently some want to push him out to make way for someone who that has been a weakness with.

 

[Accidental genius]

I actually wanted Dow to play but I don’t get this talk about selection integrity. Playing Dow, Cripps and Kennedy in the same midfield would just be repeating the mistakes we have been making all season with team balance.
The talk about playing Walsh on a wing does my head in, we need two way running mids, we have one and apparently some want to push him out to make way for someone who that has been a weakness with.

Walsh is a better two way runner but dow is better at hunting the ball and in congestion...weaving his way through traffic, has a sidestep and quicker by hand.

Walsh can get tackled a bit too easily, maybe lacking a bit of strength. And if/when he runs out he bombs it long anyway so he doesn't provide that much impact for us in attack.

 

[Gez1969]

Dunno if those numbers scream superstar

Who said they did?
The issue is rewarding effort and growth through performance. Move forward, have growth mindset, develop your people.

It doesn’t write you an indefinite free pass but it should get you a ticket to the rodeo, especially if your midfield has been poor and at times injured and/or playing hurt or out of position. Cerra spent all of his time at half back against the saints. It really grinds my gears.

It’s not just about Dow it’s anyone in his situation. He is just the OBVIOUS example.

Furthermore, go through blokes who are oddly good enough in year one then drop away in years 2,3,4 and then either get delisted or traded. And what’s worse go on to be BETTER at other clubs! It’s a disgusting indictment in our development, coaches and culture.

We just have to get better and I just see us going backwards.

 

[Juddernaut08]

I actually wanted Dow to play but I don’t get this talk about selection integrity. Playing Dow, Cripps and Kennedy in the same midfield would just be repeating the mistakes we have been making all season with team balance.
The talk about playing Walsh on a wing does my head in, we need two way running mids, we have one and apparently some want to push him out to make way for someone who that has been a weakness with.

When the ball is knocked loose, having a burst player like Dow who can get to it first could also help us from getting destroyed by quicker players out of the middle. He doesn't necessarily have to tackle if he gets the ball.

See how Sydney peeled off Cripps last week which led to clean ball out of the centre? Having speed in there helps with that.

Not saying it fixes it completely - but it's better than having 3 plodders.

 

[Bostonian]

We kept Dow on the list only not to play him.

We let Setterfield go for stuff all when he'd be getting a game now in all likelihood in this midfield of ours.

This club.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

There’s just no way we can put Jack in the middle against big Max & Grundy after the mauling he copped against the pies.

Get ready H, time to step up.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I actually wanted Dow to play but I don’t get this talk about selection integrity. Playing Dow, Cripps and Kennedy in the same midfield would just be repeating the mistakes we have been making all season with team balance.
The talk about playing Walsh on a wing does my head in, we need two way running mids, we have one and apparently some want to push him out to make way for someone who that has been a weakness with.

Dow is a more dynamic midfielder than Hewett and that has been persisted with for 10 weeks. Need to reward good form.

 

[Jatz]

I'm not even angry at the Dow situation, I'm just so sad for him. I sincerely hope he's got a good support network around him, this must all be frustrating as ****.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

When the ball is knocked loose, having a burst player like Dow who can get to it first could also help us from getting destroyed by quicker players out of the middle. He doesn't necessarily have to tackle if he gets the ball.

See how Sydney peeled off Cripps last week which led to clean ball out of the centre? Having speed in there helps with that.

Not saying it fixes it completely - but it's better than having 3 plodders.

Walsh is a better two way runner but dow is better at hunting the ball and in congestion...weaving his way through traffic, has a sidestep and quicker by hand.

Walsh can get tackled a bit too easily, maybe lacking a bit of strength. And if/when he runs out he bombs it long anyway so he doesn't provide that much impact for us in attack.

Then drop Kennedy.
Or if that’s too hard of a call make Kennedy play forward (which he imo is too slow to do full time) and drop JSOS and let Young and Harry chop out in the ruck. Either way playing Cripps, Dow and Kennedy in the same midfield group doesn’t improve the side at all imo.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Dow is a more dynamic midfielder than Hewett and that has been persisted with for 10 weeks. Need to reward good form.

Yes but we haven’t replaced Hewett and Curnow with another inside mid so imo that is an improvement in the team balance

 

[Revenant1965]

There’s just no way we can put Jack in the middle against big Max & Grundy after the mauling he copped against the pies.

Get ready H, time to step up.

Agree with first part, but it's Young for me to backup ruck first. Maybe H rucks in fwd 50, but I'd rather not risk H in ruck at this stage... just my opinion...

 

[Sector 7G]

Yes but we haven’t replaced Hewett and Curnow with another inside mid so imo that is an improvement in the team balance

Except now we are too tall with not enough mids.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Yes but we haven’t replaced Hewett and Curnow with another inside mid so imo that is an improvement in the team balance

Your argument holds up until Hewett comes straight back in for Cincotta next week.

Kidding yourself if you think there aren’t favourites.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Agree with first part, but it's Young for me to backup ruck first. Maybe H rucks in fwd 50, but I'd rather not risk H in ruck at this stage... just my opinion...

The smart trick Goodwin has done with his rucks is he plays them around the ground as old school followers & they are always in play.

Very hard to match up on.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Who said they did?
The issue is rewarding effort and growth through performance. Move forward, have growth mindset, develop your people.

It doesn’t write you an indefinite free pass but it should get you a ticket to the rodeo, especially if your midfield has been poor and at times injured and/or playing hurt or out of position. Cerra spent all of his time at half back against the saints. It really grinds my gears.

It’s not just about Dow it’s anyone in his situation. He is just the OBVIOUS example.

Furthermore, go through blokes who are oddly good enough in year one then drop away in years 2,3,4 and then either get delisted or traded. And what’s worse go on to be BETTER at other clubs! It’s a disgusting indictment in our development, coaches and culture.

We just have to get better and I just see us going backwards.

Never said we had amazing development (although seems to have improved ie: drafting youngsters & actually playing them in their actual position). Nor do I necessarily think we did/didn't do Dow dirty with his development as I'm not privy to the inner workings of the club.
Was responding to a comment.
Dow for his position (ie: Per Voss & others at the club's next man up mantra) is behind others. Simple. Noted he can't play a secondary position. We're (as you said above) already playing mids out of position why add another that can't play a secondary position? If Cezz got done at the tribunal, Dow plays. If Kennedy/Cripps wasn't playing, Dow plays. Sucks for the young bloke but it's the reality in our midfield at the moment. They're never gonna drop the Captain regardless of form & he's behind Kennedy/Hewett & Cezz. (all without even mentioning Walsh having to play HHF/Mid/Wing mix). Personally I wouldn't have even brought LOB in this week & pushed Walshy to the wing swapping in/out with Cezz but hey.. that's me.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Then drop Kennedy.
Or if that’s too hard of a call make Kennedy play forward (which he imo is too slow to do full time) and drop JSOS and let Young and Harry chop out in the ruck. Either way playing Cripps, Dow and Kennedy in the same midfield group doesn’t improve the side at all imo.

u can just play 2 of them at all times. one resting fwd or bench

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Your argument holds up until Hewett comes straight back in for Cincotta next week.

Kidding yourself if you think there aren’t favourites.

And then I’ll criticise them, not while I think they are actually balancing our midfield out for the first time this season

 

[JustaBattler]

My view is (and has been since last year) no coach can make up for this type of stuff - no coach or game plan or ABCD derivation of swapping magnets this is ALL on the players on field peformance...

enjoy the watching...

 

[Bostonian]

I'm not even angry at the Dow situation, I'm just so sad for him. I sincerely hope he's got a good support network around him, this must all be frustrating as *.

He did bring it on himself by wanting to stay.

Had every right to be looking for a move but didn't pursue it.

He knew this is what had been happening and could keep happening.

Obviously he accepted that scenario.

 

[Worm4]

Does anyone actually believe that we will crack 60 points in tonight's match ?

 

[katmanblue]

First time in a long time I'm glad it's an away game. So I don't need to make a decision about whether or not to go.

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[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

u can just play 2 of them at all times. one resting fwd or bench

If you have two of them in at all times you end up only giving Cerra and Walsh 50% midfield time which imo they are the two we actually need in there the most.