Autopsy Round 1, 2024: Geelong v St.Kilda *COLLARD, WILSON DEBUT*

[Saints43]

With the benefit of hindsight, leaving Jones out was a mistake. Got the balance wrong in the end it would appear.

Was Jones fit to play though?
I can't believe RL would play a child in front of a senior player if the choice was there.

 

[Saints43]

Not saying.
Might keep this one for a bit and let it mature like a fine wine.

Weight of expectation

 

[Diehard Saint]

Spoke to a Collingwood supporter today that really knows his footy..reckons our game was one of the worst he’s seen!

Much easier to see in a game you are not emotionally invested in.
For me in the heat of the moment, every call that goes against us during a game is trash.
I’m far too emotional to be impartial.

 

[phantom13]

Spoke to a Collingwood supporter today that really knows his footy..reckons our game was one of the worst he’s seen!

Dogs v Dees and blues v tigers were substantially worse imo.

Pies swans was better.

 

[Ads734]

As we know like playing port/Crows away umpriring gives the home teams a 25 point advantage

 

[Jade Buddha]

This is the issue with the situation.

Exactly, play the youth together. Also play experience but not if either don’t warrant selection. Pretty sure, in hind sight, Crouch wasn’t a good selection.
But hey I’m just another punter with an opinion.

 

[akaifu]

I watched the game and didn't think Seb was that bad, didn't notice him doing anything that poor and we know he has the legs to run out a game. Thought it was strange that Crouch didn't get sent off, he had no influence on the game.

Seb turned the ball over with a simple 15 metre kick for Jezza's first goal

 

[LennyHayes77]

Seb turned the ball over with a simple 15 metre kick for Jezza's first goal

Is that the one where Henry just stood there and waited for it while the Geelong player attacked the ball?
Either way, we'd rather sub a guy out for a missed kick (of which there were dozens) over a guy who barely moved and was clearly under done?

 

[Jade Buddha]

So we go down to Geelong and we are in the game until the very end.
We win the clearances, contested possessions, we have 3 less shots at goal with 19 less entries, we have a 52% I50 efficiency rate and somehow people think the sky is falling. This game was always a 50/50 game and we nearly pulled it off.
Thurday night will give us a better idea of where we are at, but I'm OK with last nights performance.

The sky isn’t falling in and the performance from some was good. Some selections were wrong and some players had little impact.
But criticism is warranted for the coaching. Still plenty of positives.

 

[Jade Buddha]

Okay I will bite...it was simple Geelong dominated the possessions that mattered. 80% of our possessions were in our defensive half. You cant win games playing the entire 120 minutes relying on 16 players in defence and quick breaks. Geelongs quality of clearances also far out weighed ours and often lead to scores. Our lack of a midfield lead to having to flood our defence constantly, thats okay for 15-20 minutes but you dont win games doing it for 120 minutes.

The club were talking up all preseason how good our leg speed is, well our midfield were all pedestrian excluding Henry when he moved in there. Even Steele is not quick in close, but wins balls through effort and grunt.

Go back and watch the game and see how poor we were at ground level. On the majority of occasions we were 2nd to the ball and when we were first we fumbled and then handballed to a team mate under as much pressure. Or quickly kicked a scrubby kick forward which Geelong often intercepted.

Yes we were able to scrap out a close loss, but even RTB conceded Geelong were by far the superior side. It’s not all tears we saw some new players show plenty, but what frustrates most is we rolled out the same inept/slow midfield and expected a different result. I know we had limited availability but great coaches dont continue to make the same errors....?

 

[beside the seaside]

What about when Hawkins got pinged for a throw and had a huge sook about it. Then they show the replay and it's the most obvious throw you've ever seen. He is such a sooky unlikeable player.

Also another whinge, Atkins definitely held onto Henry in that critical last centre bounce.

 

[Jade Buddha]

If you were a doctor would you diagnose a patient based off one symptom? No, you try and get enough information in order to exclude all other possibilities.
Did we field our best team? NO
Do we know how good the Cats will be this year? NO
Did we have players underdone? Yes
Even though we did not play at our best, did we give ouselves a chance to win the game last night. YES.
Good teams keep themselves in the game, even when the are not playing at their best. We did that.
You might be prepared to make judgement calls off the back of one perfomance, and you may be proved correct, but I want to reserve judgement until I've seen a bigger sample size.

So you thought the selection of Crouch was correct?

 

[BigPowerForward]

So you thought the selection of Crouch was correct?

He was underdone.Who would you have played instead?

 

[sunny3193]

Weight of expectation

Exceeded expectations for this lot of faux experts my friend.
Well done.

The joke was that Dangerfield’s shoulders were under stress due to the weight of expectations placed on them.

Not a top ten joke, for sure.
Not even a dad’s top ten joke.

But irrelevant because the non-response by the board is funnier.

 

[Jade Buddha]

He was underdone.Who would you have played instead?

He was underdone and injured. Was Jones injured? No, was he underdone yes.
Given Crouch had 15 possies it wouldn’t have been a high benchmark for Jones to go past. You don’t play guys that are suspect injury wise and with no form.
My point being he was a bad call simple as that. We move on but criticism of an ordinary call is acceptable do you not think or are we too sensitive for that.

 

[Sully111]

We had 6 goals with about 5 minutes left in the game.

Yep

It's just not good enough

 

[Ads734]

Imagine being gifted a home game against WC in rd 1. No we get Cats away...

 

[Tommy Wigs]

As soon as pressure is applied by the oppo we fall straight back into our old habit of blind bombing and uncontrolled ball movement.
I think our onfield leadership is lacking.

Good point. Although it could take a while to coach Richo and Ratten out of them

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I just expected a win last night. Thought we would run them to death. Not sure if it was them out coaching us in game style or we just sh^^ the bed.

Listening to the Lyon presser gave me some relief. That’s as frustrated as he’s seemed in RtB Mark II. And I’m glad to see that that’s not how we should be playing.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Is that the one where Henry just stood there and waited for it while the Geelong player attacked the ball?
Either way, we'd rather sub a guy out for a missed kick (of which there were dozens) over a guy who barely moved and was clearly under done?

Seb has become the escape goat of rocket surgery. People can’t get it out of their head now. Whereas I’m very measured and blame Higgins for missing a sitter and then that made Geelong kick 5 in a row. Lost the game with that missed kick. It’s all his fault and delist him mid season.

 

[BigPowerForward]

He was underdone and injured. Was Jones injured? No, was he underdone yes.
Given Crouch had 15 possies it wouldn’t have been a high benchmark for Jones to go past. You don’t play guys that are suspect injury wise and with no form.
My point being he was a bad call simple as that. We move on but criticism of an ordinary call is acceptable do you not think or are we too sensitive for that.

IMO the fact that they chose to play an injured and underdone Crouch over Jones is telling on where they think Jones is at.
I have no problem with your criticism. You have expressed your opinion and I have expressed mine. This place would be boring if we all had the same opinions!

 

[DougalHoward]

What about when Hawkins got pinged for a throw and had a huge sook about it. Then they show the replay and it's the most obvious throw you've ever seen. He is such a sooky unlikeable player.

Also another whinge, Atkins definitely held onto Henry in that critical last centre bounce.

They were getting away with holding all night

 

[Jade Buddha]

IMO the fact that they chose to play an injured and underdone Crouch over Jones is telling on where they think Jones is at.
I have no problem with your criticism. You have expressed your opinion and I have expressed mine. This place would be boring if we all had the same opinions!

All good but I also think the fact they picked Crouch who was underdone and injured and he failed tells as a great deal about decision making of selectors.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Question. Do we push our forwards further up the ground than any other Club? Are we happy to play Pagans Paddock if we get a turnover in space. Sure looked like it.

A Geelong mate at the ground said that Lyon had an Uber flood going. Im not sure I believe it as it’s literally the opposite of what we should be doing as a running team.

 

[The Cobra]

Ok

Haven’t had a chance to watch the game yet and just saw that cold - that is an absolutely disgraceful decision - no understanding of the game!