All Australian thread 2014

[port_adelaide_1870]

What do you base your rankings on?

Watching the games and seeing which players play the best.

 

[CakeButcher]

Watching the games and seeing which players play the best.

Somehow that gets lost when judging how good a player is these days.

 

[AFLQLD]

Watching the games and seeing which players play the best.

It's a radical idea, but I like it. Pass it on to the AA selectors and see if they can try it.

 

[FullBack30]

Watching the games and seeing which players play the best.

I'm glad you have the time to watch every single game, and to analyse the game of every player in each game to come up with such a definitive ratings system. Maybe you could justify your top 15 and why each is placed where they are?

 

[_DBF_]

He kicked 4 goals on Rance is an extremely low scoring game
Get a clue

2 were bullshit buddy pet frees... Get a clue


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[Donakebab]

2 were bullshit buddy pet frees... Get a clue


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[pacman]

Aaah no he isn't that would be Tom Lonergan

PLAYER | CLUB | GOALS CONCEDED | GAMES | AVERAGE

Tom Lonergan (Geelong) — 20 from 20 games (1)

Michael Jamison (Carlton) — 22 from 19 games (1.2)

Zac Dawson (Fremantle) — 23 from 19 games (1.2)

Alex Rance (Richmond) — 22 from 16 games (1.4)

Alipate Carlile (Port Adelaide) — 23 from 16 games (1.4)

Justin Clarke (Brisbane Lions) — 29 from 21 games (1.4)

Cale Hooker (Essendon) — 29 from 21 games (1.4)

Daniel Talia (Adelaide) — 30 from 21 games (1.4)

Lynden Dunn (Melbourne) — 30 from 21 games (1.4)

Phil Davis (GWS Giants) 16 from 10 games (1.6)

Scott Thompson (North Melbourne) — 32 from 20 games (1.6)

Eric Mackenzie (West Coast Eagles) — 36 from 21 games (1.7)

Josh Gibson (Hawthorn) — 23 from 13 games (1.8)

Ted Richards (Sydney Swans) — 41 from 21 games (1.9)

Jack Frost (Collingwood) — 41 from 21 games (1.9)

Steven May (Gold Coast Suns) — 39 from 19 games (2.1)

Luke Delaney (St Kilda) — 47 from 21 games (2.2)

Jordan Roughead (Western Bulldogs) — 37 from 15 games (2.5)

He is in the same category as Zac Dawson neither care about the ball there only objective is to stop the opposition.
That's great but give me an attacking defender everyday that stops goals and also creates goals at the other end.

 

[pacman]

I would hazard a guess it is because there are 10-15 mids who have all had better years than Selwood.

Boak, Pendlebury, Heppell, Lewis, Kennedy, Rockcliff, Ablett, Fyfe, Ward & Beams just off the top of my head?

 

[Monkey King]

Aaah no he isn't that would be Tom Lonergan

PLAYER | CLUB | GOALS CONCEDED | GAMES | AVERAGE

Tom Lonergan (Geelong) — 20 from 20 games (1)

Michael Jamison (Carlton) — 22 from 19 games (1.2)

Zac Dawson (Fremantle) — 23 from 19 games (1.2)

Alex Rance (Richmond) — 22 from 16 games (1.4)

Alipate Carlile (Port Adelaide) — 23 from 16 games (1.4)

Justin Clarke (Brisbane Lions) — 29 from 21 games (1.4)

Cale Hooker (Essendon) — 29 from 21 games (1.4)

Daniel Talia (Adelaide) — 30 from 21 games (1.4)

Lynden Dunn (Melbourne) — 30 from 21 games (1.4)

Phil Davis (GWS Giants) 16 from 10 games (1.6)

Scott Thompson (North Melbourne) — 32 from 20 games (1.6)

Eric Mackenzie (West Coast Eagles) — 36 from 21 games (1.7)

Josh Gibson (Hawthorn) — 23 from 13 games (1.8)

Ted Richards (Sydney Swans) — 41 from 21 games (1.9)

Jack Frost (Collingwood) — 41 from 21 games (1.9)

Steven May (Gold Coast Suns) — 39 from 19 games (2.1)

Luke Delaney (St Kilda) — 47 from 21 games (2.2)

Jordan Roughead (Western Bulldogs) — 37 from 15 games (2.5)

This list shows how good Carlton's Jamison is. Lonergan for example has a top team restricting the fluency with which the ball comes in, and fellow defenders like Harry Taylor and Rivers to help hold the defense together. Jammo has a midfield that can leak like a sieve and a guy in Sam Rowe, who often has his hands too full with is own man.

 

[Monkey King]

Just a question, Carlton's most likely (though unlikely) would be Gibbs and Yarran. While neither will make the AA team, where do reckon they sit this year? Would they make a seconds team, or a thirds?

 

[Big Fresh]

2 were bullshit buddy pet frees... Get a clue


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Nah Rance got away with heaps in that game. Was all over Buddy the whole night. You cannot blame the umpires.

 

[Donakebab]

Just a question, Carlton's most likely (though unlikely) would be Gibbs and Yarran. While neither will make the AA team, where do reckon they sit this year? Would they make a seconds team, or a thirds?

Gibbs a certainty for the squad. Has been massive and is even a sneaky chance at a spot on the bench. Yarran has fluctuated too much for mine and will miss the squad for defenders like Jonas, Hibberd and Burgoyne.

 

[OK Computer]

2 were bullshit buddy pet frees... Get a clue


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rance manhandled buddy all day and you're complaining about frees? Even the commentators pointed out that he should've got a lot more

 

[Bollox]

Few thoughts...as we go into "name player pulls out a big game and suddenly makes AA" week.
Gibbs will make the squad, and is now even a chance for the team. Rockliff could break both legs and still walk into this years team.
Despite both being young(ish), i think many like me were surprised that both Parker and Heppell were consistent and actually got better as the season progressed. I think they have both grabbed an AA slot somewhere and not being "name players" they may both come off the bench.
Pendlebury and Harvey have both drifted a bit lately. Pendlebury has the season credits in the bank and has earnt selection already, but Harvey is now a bit borderline. They'll try to pick at least 1 North guy though, so i reckon they'll pick him and likely at HFF opposite Gray who waltzes in. Boak and Selwood have drifted in and out of contention...not big seasons that scream AA selection, but both are captains which helps and neither would be a shock.
Ablett will be named in the squad which is still a great accolade, but it would be a stretch for them to name him AA. 50/50 but i'd leave him out.
Geelong fans will hate me saying it but cant see any true standouts that demand AA selection this year. Finishing 3rd i reckon they will elevate at least 1 maybe 2 borderline guys. Hawkins has not had an outstanding AA quality KPF type season for my money, and more a stay at home type FF. Just because you kick 0.3 or whateva more goals a game than another guy shouldnt mean you can suddenly get named out of position at say CHF...but they might coz they now regularly go off the Coleman race rather than create a relatively balanced team to win you a game. Franklin and Roughead ahead of him so why pick him when u could add a proper CHF ? Taylor hasnt exactly been a standout either...good second half of season but so have other KPF's. Not for me but they luv him nearly as much as Enright.
Despite missing maybe 4 games, i think Beams has earnt selection...Ward and Priddis still a huge chance to grab a bench spot and i doubt many would view either as silly selections.
Top 2 teams both look like having minimum 3 definites. Seems about right/fair. Franklin/Breust/Roughead/Malceski/Kennedy/Lewis are the ones that had the most obvious AA standard seasons....but can easily be a few extra's...8 or 9ish from the top 2 would be nothing bizarre.
The two that would add the most flexibility and strengthen this years team would be Roughead and Riewoldt. Assuming Franklin walks in at FF, i still maintain that Roughead picked in a pocket (and having the mobile marking target at CHF) is a much much stronger team...both are worthy and it means you now only need to pick one ruck from Jacobs and Sandilands. Both Roughead and Riewoldt have been known to help out in the ruck, and Roughead could be considered a specialist. You dont need three regular FF's that usually play close to goal jammed into the AA forward line...so why try to stuff in a Hawkins type ? Coleman race should only be a rough guide. Obvious to all that Riewoldt would be murdering this season if he was getting the same opportunities, and it shouldnt be only about a few goals after 23 rnds. Either that or pick Ballantyne in the other pkt opposite Breust then the Franklin/Roughead as FF/CHF combo.
Sandilands has been very good and easily makes the squad...but neither he nor Jacobs have been mind blowingly good enough to require two specialist rucks this year. Thats the massive benefit of picking Roughead in a pocket who is one of my first named. Neither ruck has been hitting the scoreboard much either...why pick 2 this year ? Would only be coz u cant split them. So i'd toss a coin, ignore the result, and pick Jacobs anyway...and leave Sandilands out of the 22.

 

[pacman]

Just a question, Carlton's most likely (though unlikely) would be Gibbs and Yarran. While neither will make the AA team, where do reckon they sit this year? Would they make a seconds team, or a thirds?

Gibbs should be in the 40 not sure he makes the side though.
For me Gibbs & Rowe were your shining lights this year.

 

[Schauermann]

Few thoughts...as we go into "name player pulls out a big game and suddenly makes AA" week.
Gibbs will make the squad, and is now even a chance for the team. Rockliff could break both legs and still walk into this years team.
Despite both being young(ish), i think many like me were surprised that both Parker and Heppell were consistent and actually got better as the season progressed. I think they have both grabbed an AA slot somewhere and not being "name players" they may both come off the bench.
Pendlebury and Harvey have both drifted a bit lately. Pendlebury has the season credits in the bank and has earnt selection already, but Harvey is now a bit borderline. They'll try to pick at least 1 North guy though, so i reckon they'll pick him and likely at HFF opposite Gray who waltzes in. Boak and Selwood have drifted in and out of contention...not big seasons that scream AA selection, but both are captains which helps and neither would be a shock.
Ablett will be named in the squad which is still a great accolade, but it would be a stretch for them to name him AA. 50/50 but i'd leave him out.
Geelong fans will hate me saying it but cant see any true standouts that demand AA selection this year. Finishing 3rd i reckon they will elevate at least 1 maybe 2 borderline guys. Hawkins has not had an outstanding AA quality KPF type season for my money, and more a stay at home type FF. Just because you kick 0.3 or whateva more goals a game than another guy shouldnt mean you can suddenly get named out of position at say CHF...but they might coz they now regularly go off the Coleman race rather than create a relatively balanced team to win you a game. Franklin and Roughead ahead of him so why pick him when u could add a proper CHF ? Taylor hasnt exactly been a standout either...good second half of season but so have other KPF's. Not for me but they luv him nearly as much as Enright.
Despite missing maybe 4 games, i think Beams has earnt selection...Ward and Priddis still a huge chance to grab a bench spot and i doubt many would view either as silly selections.
Top 2 teams both look like having minimum 3 definites. Seems about right/fair. Franklin/Breust/Roughead/Malceski/Kennedy/Lewis are the ones that had the most obvious AA standard seasons....but can easily be a few extra's...8 or 9ish from the top 2 would be nothing bizarre.
The two that would add the most flexibility and strengthen this years team would be Roughead and Riewoldt. Assuming Franklin walks in at FF, i still maintain that Roughead picked in a pocket (and having the mobile marking target at CHF) is a much much stronger team...both are worthy and it means you now only need to pick one ruck from Jacobs and Sandilands. Both Roughead and Riewoldt have been known to help out in the ruck, and Roughead could be considered a specialist. You dont need three regular FF's that usually play close to goal jammed into the AA forward line...so why try to stuff in a Hawkins type ? Coleman race should only be a rough guide. Obvious to all that Riewoldt would be murdering this season if he was getting the same opportunities, and it shouldnt be only about a few goals after 23 rnds. Either that or pick Ballantyne in the other pkt opposite Breust then the Franklin/Roughead as FF/CHF combo.
Sandilands has been very good and easily makes the squad...but neither he nor Jacobs have been mind blowingly good enough to require two specialist rucks this year. Thats the massive benefit of picking Roughead in a pocket who is one of my first named. Neither ruck has been hitting the scoreboard much either...why pick 2 this year ? Would only be coz u cant split them. So i'd toss a coin, ignore the result, and pick Jacobs anyway...and leave Sandilands out of the 22.

Sounds all fairly reasonable.

 

[robertg22]

Pendlebury and Harvey have both drifted a bit lately. Pendlebury has the season credits in the bank and has earnt selection already, but Harvey is now a bit borderline. They'll try to pick at least 1 North guy though, so i reckon they'll pick him and likely at HFF opposite Gray who waltzes in. Boak and Selwood have drifted in and out of contention...not big seasons that scream AA selection, but both are captains which helps and neither would be a shock.

FWIW, had a couple of quiet weeks by his standard in rounds 17-19 but his last two games (r20 vs WC & r22 vs GWS) were very good.

 

[richolovesgoal]

FB: Rance Hooker N.Smith
HB: Malceski Talia B.Smith
M: Pendlebury Kennedy Rockliff
HF: Harvey Franklin Gray
FF: Breust Hawkins Roughead
R: Jacobs Selwood Fyfe

I: Ablett Martin Lewis Parker

 

[wcesam]

FB: Rance Hooker N.Smith
HB: Malceski Talia B.Smith
M: Pendlebury Kennedy Rockliff
HF: Harvey Franklin Gray
FF: Breust Hawkins Roughead
R: Jacobs Selwood Fyfe

I: Ablett Martin Lewis Parker

It's gotten to the point where Richmond supporters are posting their teams for the sole purpose of putting Rance in

 

[richolovesgoal]

It's gotten to the point where Richmond supporters are posting their teams for the sole purpose of putting Rance in

Not really, I posted my team because I wanted to, and I think Rance should be in it. But thanks

 

[wcesam]

Not really, I posted my team because I wanted to, and I think Rance should be in it. But thanks

Mackenzie > Rance

 

[richolovesgoal]

Mackenzie > Rance

Pls. Maybe if the season ended 10 weeks ago

 

[swansfan51]

Why is Nick Smith being named? Taggers have to play on far better players (plus have to do more in attack) and not a single tagger has been named in the thread.

 

[Donakebab]

Pls. Maybe if the season ended 10 weeks ago

Pls. Rance might get a look in if the season only lasted 10 weeks.

As a neutral I still have Mackenzie ahead over the entire season. One more week isn't going to change that.

 

[Donakebab]

Why is Nick Smith being named? Taggers have to play on far better players (plus have to do more in attack) and not a single tagger has been named in the thread.

Structure. He's actually a defender, taggers are overwhelmingly midfielders. We've gotten past the idea of throwing mids in every position available including the back pocket.