Hird Appeal Dismissed - 30th Jan, 2015

[Howard Littlejohn]

No, pretty sure ASADA/Ben McDevitt have said they SCN relate to Tb4 only.

Iseem to recall that being the case. I will be interesting to see if further SCNs are issued.
It could be that ASADA were expecting appeals and TB-4 is just the test case before other substances in further SCNs. The rules of evidence are now clear at least. Or maybe TB-4 will be the only one, enough to pin on the people they were really after - in this case, it seems the players were collateral damage on the main game of egtting Dank and maybe some others out of sport entirely. If they were really gunning for the players, AOD would not (on what is publicly available at least) have been ruled out as a future possibility.

 

[the_interloper]

Even Kyle Reimers (despite sleeping most of the time says McvEigh) knew it was 'on the edge'.

If Kyle Reimers could figure out something was a bit dodgy how dumb are all the other players?

 

[Reality rules]

If Kyle Reimers could figure out something was a bit dodgy how dumb are all the other players?

And having a axe to grind doesn't help the plight of others hey?

 

[Boston tiger]

If I was going offsite for injections in a "black ops" type program i reckon i'd make a sneaky call to ASADA to find out whether this stuff was ok, that's what they are there for.

You'd have to do it before you went because finding out afterwards would pose a few ethical problems for ones self.
Plus you'd be forever known as the "whistleblower" the man that single handedly destroyed the careers of his teammates and the de registration of the Essendon football club.
I've gone on a bit there but still a horrible place to put a footballer by the club. The truth would have been too much to handle.

 

[Reality rules]

You'd have to do it before you went because finding out afterwards would pose a few ethical problems for ones self.
Plus you'd be forever known as the "whistleblower" the man that single handedly destroyed the careers of his teammates and the de registration of the Essendon football club.
I've gone on a bit there but still a horrible place to put a footballer by the club. The truth would have been too much to handle.

A real s**t spot to be in..............I trust my club...

 

[TerryWallet]

Hird will appeal. You all know it.

He's over in America getting personal instruction from Robert Thompson on whether News can keep carrying his sorry arse if he keeps going.

 

[Jevy]

A real s**t spot to be in..............I trust my club...

Yeah this is a game changer when you cant trust your club with your health.

 

[Underdog]

Lot of people on here who run with the "professional elite sportsman" line say the responsibility lies with the footballers. Personally I'd like the players too sue the arse of Essendon if found guilty. 100 percent the clubs mess.

Well, it does to a degree. There are different authorities in place.

When it comes to ASADA, the players are responsible.
When is comes to workplace laws, Essendon are responsible.

The fact players are responsible for what goes into their bodies, doesn't mean Essendon haven't broken laws in running the program

 

[Underdog]

The real world is when you see Chris Judd gets asked "what's in that drink" and he has no idea. That's the real world for an AFL footballer. If it's approved and administered by the club medical and fitness then it has been checked and approved and is OK by WADA that is the real world of an AFL footballer.

AFL players get thorough training regarding the expectations on them and their responsibilities. Should they decide not to listen or to ignore it, that's their problem.

 

[Obeanie1]

I reckon there will be emails flying around ASADA trying to rake up every single receipt for anything at all involved in this appeal.

Will they be able to charge Hird for the celebration party they will likely be throwing?

Item 24 - One pallet of toilet paper

Court officer - "Um can you explain this $1,500 claimed for dunny paper?"

ASADA - "Easily sir, this appeal and the general attitude of one Albert Hird has given everyone here the sh!ts for quite some time. All of us need to relieve ourselves at least six times a day"

Well that should end the "the whole investigation is unfair and illegal" .

 

[Boston tiger]

AFL players get thorough training regarding the expectations on them and their responsibilities. Should they decide not to listen or to ignore it, that's their problem.

That lets Dank and Hird off the hook then.

 

[onemancyclone]

If I was going offsite for injections in a "black ops" type program i reckon i'd make a sneaky call to ASADA to find out whether this stuff was ok, that's what they are there for.

It's the world Essendon fans live in, where the odd kid working in retail knows to call the fair work ombudsmen, but athlete's don't know to call ASADA.

 

[onemancyclone]

The real world is when you see Chris Judd gets asked "what's in that drink" and he has no idea. That's the real world for an AFL footballer. If it's approved and administered by the club medical and fitness then it has been checked and approved and is OK by WADA that is the real world of an AFL footballer.

The AFL signed on to WADA. The athlete is responsible for what enters their body under WADA.

 

[Underdog]

That lets Dank and Hird off the hook then.

No it doesn't. Even if they haven't broken WADA rules, which they seemingly have, they still have the AFL drug code to content with and even the catch all disrepute charge.

 

[Reality rules]

Item 24 - One pallet of toilet paper

Court officer - "Um can you explain this $1,500 claimed for dunny paper?"

ASADA - "Easily sir, this appeal and the general attitude of one Albert Hird has given everyone here the sh!ts for quite some time. All of us need to relieve ourselves at least six times a day"

Well that should end the "the whole investigation is unfair and illegal" .

That is a shithouse example to use!

 

[Boston tiger]

The AFL signed on to WADA. The athlete is responsible for what enters their body under WADA.

Did they? Thanks for that.

 

[Jevy]

The AFL signed on to WADA. The athlete is responsible for what enters their body under WADA.

Anything less opens a loophole and creates a fertile environment for cheating. Bit like cycling.

 

[AM]

The best summation I've yet seen:

http://bit.ly/1EvIv0f

 

[Reality rules]

The best summation I've yet seen:

http://bit.ly/1EvIv0f

It also failed to mention he needs to wash and cut his hair!

 

[rose jam]

AFL players get thorough training regarding the expectations on them and their responsibilities. Should they decide not to listen or to ignore it, that's their problem.

There have been probably around 750 footballers in the last 3 years that haven't had a problem with what they've eaten or drunk. It's really not difficult to remain clean, in fact it's pretty freaking easy.

 

[Reality rules]

The best summation I've yet seen:

http://bit.ly/1EvIv0f

The best summation I've yet seen:

http://bit.ly/1EvIv0f

Maybe Mr Bruce and his offsider GG should rip this apart!

 

[rose jam]

The best summation I've yet seen:

http://bit.ly/1EvIv0f

Some really interesting summaries in that. The last 2 were the most interesting. One is that the arguments by Hird were inconsistent, but the best one was the last, which is something like, "you had a chance to challenge this before you agreed to questioning, but you agreed to it, so it's too late".

Gees, his legal team just completely and totally ballsed this up

 

[Reality rules]

Some really interesting summaries in that. The last 2 were the most interesting. One is that the arguments by Hird were inconsistent, but the best one was the last, which is something like, "you had a chance to challenge this before you agreed to questioning, but you agreed to it, so it's too late".

Gees, his legal team just completely and totally ballsed this up

Yep!

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Some really interesting summaries in that. The last 2 were the most interesting. One is that the arguments by Hird were inconsistent, but the best one was the last, which is something like, "you had a chance to challenge this before you agreed to questioning, but you agreed to it, so it's too late".

Gees, his legal team just completely and totally ballsed this up

On the contrary, the legal team have played this perfectly - taken a no chance case and turned it into hundreds of thousands in fees, simply by stoking king James' ego

 

[Perry Pie]

And what about Hird's constant erection and well done suntan issues at the same time which appear to mimic the side effects of Hexarelin?

I was going to ask if anyone has got any photgraphic of the side effects, but then I thought better of it. So wont ask.