Collingwood’s Josh Thomas, Lachie Keeffe accept two-year bans for taking banned drug clenbuterol

[NoAFLinmycomp]

When do the new minimum 4 year bans come into affect?

I like the timing - 2 brand new positives at 4 years to smooth the announcement tomorrow of 2 years for the EFC IN players!

 

[Chief]

I disagree.

I've said many times: this s**t is readily available and usually undetectable.

Yet people think the sport is squeaky clean

Who thinks that?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

They should both get 4 years:
2 years for taking the drug and
2 years for stupidity

 

[efcboy]

….and then the tribunal case as well where they get to defend themselves.

I was responding to the different responses from most of the two supporter groups. Will you be calling for a 2 year ban for your players if found guilty tomorrow? I will for ours.

Depends on the circumstances. If EFC players were duped then their blame is significantly reduced. Same applies for Pies players. As EFC players offended and were charged prior to 2015 max penalty is 2 years. Pies players face a max penalty of 4 years under 2015 code.

Each case should be treated on its merits.

 

[gavaniacono]

HTB now to be known as the grand Essendon-Collingwood shitfight board

Isn't it amazing how this is happening to my two favourite teams?

 

[Ancient Tiger]

It can be detected using chromatography-mass spectrometry.

And do WADA use this test for substance testing? I did not say there were no tests at all for it.

 

[Cylon7]

They should both get 4 years:
2 years for taking the drug and
2 years for stupidity

When are people going to stop using the excuse of stupidity?

You don't hear this excuse used in athletics.

 

[84859300]

Who are you?

I haven't see you post here before?

You haven't been looking closely enough...

 

[good4footy]

Depends on the circumstances. If EFC players were duped then their blame is significantly reduced. Same applies for Pies players. As EFC players offended and were charged prior to 2015 max penalty is 2 years. Pies players face a max penalty of 4 years under 2015 code.

Each case should be treated on its merits.

The question is what will you be calling for - I know the technicalities of it. Will you be calling for the maximum penalty if guilty or not.

 

[Ashton Agar]

Difference between Collingwood and Essendon:

One club ran a systematic and experimental program on 34 players, that:
- included thousands of injections given to players in non-medical facilities,
- included banned substances and non-prescribed medicines such as muscular dystrophy drugs,
- subsequently lost or destroyed all evidence of the drug injection program,
- was known to key staff including the head coach; and
- was shrouded in black ops secrecy for the purpose of gaining a competitive advantage over its opposition.

The other club is Collingwood.

Collingwood also ran a systematic supplements programs that "lacked accountability".

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...uate-supervision/story-fni5f22o-1226740824947

 

[DrMike]

Probably already been pointed out but the 2015 WADA code states that qualification is an option for the governing body for more than two members, not that it has to happen:

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada-2015-world-anti-doping-code.pdf
Page 79

 

[Baltimore Jack]

When are people going to stop using the excuse of stupidity?

You don't hear this excuse used in athletics.

So you think these 2 f-wits are clever?

 

[efcboy]

Clubs with systemic doping programs

Essendon

Teams with players doing stupid s**t
St Kilda
Collingwood
Freo

Cousins, Kerr, Gardiner, Chick, Mainwaring, C.Fletcher not count as doing stupid s**t?!

 

[tora tora tora]

I suspect the players have eaten something to cause the positive tests.

Their actions thus far (allowing names to be put out etc) are hardly actions of guilty drug takers.

I could be wrong, just a hunch.

Essendon on the other hand....

yeah like a clembutorol tablet

 

[jenny61_99]

Probably already been pointed out but the 2015 WADA code states that qualification is an option for the governing body for more than two members, not that it has to happen:

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada-2015-world-anti-doping-code.pdf
Page 79

Correct, and the AFL Code suggests that this is completely at the discretion of the AFL.

 

[carlton2dabone]

In the EFC case, we have consent forms and players admitting to being injected with 'Thymoisn', we have paper trail of TB4 leading to the club and we have text messages involving Dank that talk about TB4.
Even with all this evidence that points to TB4 being the only substance that could have been used at the club, EFC claims that they used Thymodullin instead while presenting no credible evidence of a paper trail for Thymodullin, YET there players have a chance to get off.

In this case, we have 2 Collingwood players that have returned a positive A sample to a banned drug, and if they want to use the defence of 'contaminated food', then they will need to provide credible evidence of contaminated food.

So how in the world can one set of players claim that all the evidence that shows that ONLY TB4 could have been used at their club is false and that they used a legal substance with not one shred of evidence to back them up, still have a chance to get off, when another set of players that have a positive test that shows a banned substance in their piss are required to produce solid evidence to back up any claim they ate contaminated food?

A positive test is hard evidence, but overwhelming circumstantial evidence that only points TB4 being the only substance that could have been used at EFC should be treated the same way that hard evidence is.

 

[KennyHunter9]

Collingwood also ran a systematic supplements programs that "lacked accountability".

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...uate-supervision/story-fni5f22o-1226740824947

That underlines how the "governance" excuse trotted out by your club was rubbish. So other clubs can lack accountability and still not do to their players the horrific things EFC did to theirs. Let's call EFC for what it is: a failure of the character and decency.

 

[efcboy]

When was the Pies camp in NZ?
Before or after Jan 1?

Late Jan/Early Feb 2015. The positive tests from Feb 10 2015

 

[Cylon7]

So you think these 2 f-wits are clever?

Can they read and write?
Have they received drug education?
If the b sample confirms the a sample, they should receive a 4 year ban.
I have no sympathy.
Stop using the dumb footballer excuse.

 

[ZergMinion]

Cousins, Kerr, Gardiner, Chick, Mainwaring, C.Fletcher not count as doing stupid s**t?!

I don't think the word stupid quite covers it.

 

[Jimthegreat]

When are people going to stop using the excuse of stupidity?

You don't hear this excuse used in athletics.

No, athletes use far more sophisticated ridiculous excuses. Stupidity is at least accurate.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

If it was a club organised program, then I think you are right

actually it doesn't refer to being "club organised" or "systematic" or anything like that. Just two or more players getting an ADRV.

Not that I think they should get a team-based penalty mind you

 

[tige19]

I refuse to believe Nathan Buckley would oversee a PED program at Collingwood.

I reckon that's just a picture of a man who dedicates his life to be the absolute best he can be, this picture speakd volumes of Bucks. Let's leave the legends out of it!

 

[Boxhead_31]

Late Jan/Early Feb 2015. The positive tests from Feb 10 2015

They're screwed then

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Can they read and write?
Have they received drug education?
If the b sample confirms the a sample, they should receive a 4 year ban.
I have no sympathy.
Stop using the dumb footballer excuse.

Maybe its the way I am explaining it, or you are just looking for a fight.
Either way its your problem