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Inside Footy Draft Special
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OK. My favourite quote so far.
"The people at the Western Bulldogs will s**t themselves when they see him because he's so light."
- Geelong Falcons region manager Michael Turner on Ayce Cordy.
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"their need for a strong-bodied key defender is too great to overlook."
"In desperate need of a key defender."
We need an inside midfielder with pace or a key forward as much as we need another big defender.
IF NOT MORE.
Do people keep pulling this opinion out of the recycle bin so they don't have to think and look at our list?
Mark Austin is taller and faster than Michael Hurley.
And can play at both ends of the ground.
All we get is the same old tired opinions on a club's needs and a phantom draft with a few names shuffled around.
Yet this is the only Inside Football issue I buy in a year.
It's a redundant publication due to the internet giving us on demand access to information on the players and football news.
Do Jim Main and Crackers still write for Inside Football?
I will laugh my ass off if this happens.
The Royal Sampler
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This was my favourite;
"JACK REDDEN - Glenelg
DOB: 27/12/90 Ht: 186cm Wt: 75kg
"Brisbane is very interested in Jack and Melbourne and Fremantle have shown some interest. Jack's been a boarder at Sacred Heart College for a couple of years and is a midfielder/forward type. Very much an inside player who loves to feed the ball out and win clearances, which he showed during the under-19 grand final where he virtually won the game in the last quarter. Very clean with his hands and his disposal is pretty good. He broke his thumb early in the year and given his school commitments he played only about eight games for us. A quiet and unassuming lad but has a heap of potential."
- Glenelg development manager Jack Redden."
"JACK REDDEN - Glenelg
DOB: 27/12/90 Ht: 186cm Wt: 75kg
"Brisbane is very interested in Jack and Melbourne and Fremantle have shown some interest. Jack's been a boarder at Sacred Heart College for a couple of years and is a midfielder/forward type. Very much an inside player who loves to feed the ball out and win clearances, which he showed during the under-19 grand final where he virtually won the game in the last quarter. Very clean with his hands and his disposal is pretty good. He broke his thumb early in the year and given his school commitments he played only about eight games for us. A quiet and unassuming lad but has a heap of potential."
- Glenelg development manager Jack Redden."
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That would be the Only place you can get it is the News Agency
It was in this thread the whole time, you just need to learn to be a bit more thorough....
superfreak
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A few things on some topic/questions raised.....
- TheGeneral, You said "Do people keep pulling this opinion out of the recycle bin so they don't have to think and look at our list?"
Well Carlton need a key defender more than anything else, and being a Blue's fan yourself, surely the last three years of not being able to stop anything from scoring would tell you this. Unless you want to put your faith in the likes of Jamieson, Austin and Bower and think that they will be able to stand up in the heat of finals footy (which you should play this year). Hurley is better than all these blokes and is the type of player you can build your defence around. Solid as a rock, reads the play better than most and is the best kick in the draft. You can find a inside mid with your second pick and this draft is super deep with quality key forwards.
Also..
"All we get is the same old tired opinions on a club's needs and a phantom draft with a few names shuffled around."
Don't think for one second that this is an exercise that is done in the spacxe of a few hours. To put together something like this takes hours of talking with recrtuing mangers, player managers, junior development officers and the like to get an idea of what each club feels is their greatest need/who is in the mix at each pick so its not just opinion, its got a fair bit of fact behind it!
- Some clubs don't rate Sidebottom as a first round pick.
- Most clubs give glowing endorsements pof their own players due to the fact they ARE the best of the best. Over 2000+ kids nominate each year for the draft. We have profiled the top 150 so of course these kids can play and are going to have some wraps on them. At the end of the day, only 70 odd kids get picked each year, so there is a fair bit of quality that either feeds down to state/local level, or in some cases is lost to the game forever.
- Lenny Hayes IS 187cm and Dal Santo is around the mark as well. Quite deceiving. In facr most AFL mid's are taller than you think. There is a sprinkling of smaller sized midfielders in the games elite but you will find that the trend is for taller midfielders. Apart from Murphy, Palmer, Foley etc. most of those smaller mid's are all from a past draft age when the emphasis was on drafting footballers not athletes.
- Finally, thanks to everyone that has gone out and bought the magazine. As stated by a previous poster, the advent of the internet has made life a fair bit tougher for publications such as IF but there is still a place and demand for it in the market!
- TheGeneral, You said "Do people keep pulling this opinion out of the recycle bin so they don't have to think and look at our list?"
Well Carlton need a key defender more than anything else, and being a Blue's fan yourself, surely the last three years of not being able to stop anything from scoring would tell you this. Unless you want to put your faith in the likes of Jamieson, Austin and Bower and think that they will be able to stand up in the heat of finals footy (which you should play this year). Hurley is better than all these blokes and is the type of player you can build your defence around. Solid as a rock, reads the play better than most and is the best kick in the draft. You can find a inside mid with your second pick and this draft is super deep with quality key forwards.
Also..
"All we get is the same old tired opinions on a club's needs and a phantom draft with a few names shuffled around."
Don't think for one second that this is an exercise that is done in the spacxe of a few hours. To put together something like this takes hours of talking with recrtuing mangers, player managers, junior development officers and the like to get an idea of what each club feels is their greatest need/who is in the mix at each pick so its not just opinion, its got a fair bit of fact behind it!
- Some clubs don't rate Sidebottom as a first round pick.
- Most clubs give glowing endorsements pof their own players due to the fact they ARE the best of the best. Over 2000+ kids nominate each year for the draft. We have profiled the top 150 so of course these kids can play and are going to have some wraps on them. At the end of the day, only 70 odd kids get picked each year, so there is a fair bit of quality that either feeds down to state/local level, or in some cases is lost to the game forever.
- Lenny Hayes IS 187cm and Dal Santo is around the mark as well. Quite deceiving. In facr most AFL mid's are taller than you think. There is a sprinkling of smaller sized midfielders in the games elite but you will find that the trend is for taller midfielders. Apart from Murphy, Palmer, Foley etc. most of those smaller mid's are all from a past draft age when the emphasis was on drafting footballers not athletes.
- Finally, thanks to everyone that has gone out and bought the magazine. As stated by a previous poster, the advent of the internet has made life a fair bit tougher for publications such as IF but there is still a place and demand for it in the market!
My favourite line comes from Neil Mildenhall on Cory Dellilio:
"Takes blokes on and palms them off and then kicks goals out his arse."
Cracked me up.
Superfreak if you want to improve circulation one area where you have overlooked majorly is the fantasy football area which I would think is a definate niche area you could include. Get rid of the Jim Main garbage or at least cut it back to a page and then use the space on fantasy. I realise there might be some licensing issues but I am sure that could be worked around and I am sure one of DT or SC would be interested in getting some more publicity for their competition adn gaining a bit of an advantage over the other.
Also please don't use Andrew Hamilton to do the Brisbane reviews which you do sometimes. They are always terrible and you would think he has not actually even watched the match.
"Takes blokes on and palms them off and then kicks goals out his arse."
Cracked me up.
Superfreak if you want to improve circulation one area where you have overlooked majorly is the fantasy football area which I would think is a definate niche area you could include. Get rid of the Jim Main garbage or at least cut it back to a page and then use the space on fantasy. I realise there might be some licensing issues but I am sure that could be worked around and I am sure one of DT or SC would be interested in getting some more publicity for their competition adn gaining a bit of an advantage over the other.
Also please don't use Andrew Hamilton to do the Brisbane reviews which you do sometimes. They are always terrible and you would think he has not actually even watched the match.
superfreak
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Quigley,
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. We have dipped our feet in the fantasy footy phenomenon by publishing the scores but there are some licensing issues that have to be taken into account.
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. We have dipped our feet in the fantasy footy phenomenon by publishing the scores but there are some licensing issues that have to be taken into account.
SEEING EYE DOG
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Agree with superfreak. If the General thinks Carlton are
going to built a defence that will hold up in finals footy
from VFL players like Austin and Bannister, AFL fringe
players like Bower and unaccountable possession chasers
like Scotland and Carrazzo - good luck. Carlton need Hurley
at CHB, but so do about 14 other clubs ( including the Dogs )
going to built a defence that will hold up in finals footy
from VFL players like Austin and Bannister, AFL fringe
players like Bower and unaccountable possession chasers
like Scotland and Carrazzo - good luck. Carlton need Hurley
at CHB, but so do about 14 other clubs ( including the Dogs )
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People showing how little they watch Carlton...we need a key forward/half forward/quick midfielder than another key defender. Bower and Jamison have shown they can take key forwards and do the job very well.
Seems to be a common thing on Bigfooty with teams defenses not being rated at all...I guess because they aren't flashy the nuff nuffs find it harder to see if a defender has played well or not.
Seems to be a common thing on Bigfooty with teams defenses not being rated at all...I guess because they aren't flashy the nuff nuffs find it harder to see if a defender has played well or not.
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Dal Santo is 185cm - almost 6'1"
Lenny Hayes is 186cm - 1 solitary cm under 187 - we'll forgive him.
Bartel IS 187cm
Black is actually 184cm I think - quite a reasonable height. Not as short as you think.
... add to that Judd at 189, Corey at 190, Cooney at 186... and there definately is a strong representation among the games top midfielders of taller players - 6'1" to 6'2"... not to mention plenty of tall players not among the elite, such as Ling at 189cm, or even someone like Jobe Watson at 190cm... and what about part time midfielders like Deledio at 188cm and Embley at 190cm?
No one is saying you have to be 6'1" or 6'2" to be a gun midfielder. There are definately gun midfielders of shorter stature - like Mitchell, Kerr etc - but you cannot deny that the trend of the game is towards taller players. Tallers players everywhere in fact.
I would've thought you'd like another key defender to free up Waite a bit more? He seems like a far more dangerous player to me when he goes forward - or is that just against the crows? >_>
Agree. Don't rate Waite as a back, like his stuff as a forward, and justification could be made either way for a tall back or tall forward IMHO. Can't see the Blues going for a mid.
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He is freed up most of the time with Jamison taking the full forward and Bower the lead up forward like Cloke. Waite isn't as good man on man as Bower/Jamison and does better when he can play loose...so I wouldn't start him on a Riewoldt anyway because he most of the time he gets smashed by those types. Not sure why he gets more plaudits than the other two who are better defenders. Waite is good when he can play loose but man on man isn't as good.
superfreak
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Effes....come on mate, open your eyes...
Here is what key forwards kicked against the Blues last year:
6 - Bradshaw, Brown
5 - Richardson, Roughead
4 - Gehrig, Lloyd, Lloyd, Green (played deep forward), Burton, Pavlich, Moran, Franklin
3 - Tarrant, C.Hughes, Riewoldt, Hahn, B.Johnson, Hale
(72 goals @ 4 goals per game)
And there were plenty more on 2 goals.
That tells me that you need a quality key defender. Jamieson and Bower will be good as 2nd/3rd talls.
I reckon there are more informed people on here, and EB&W, that would do a ten time better job than what Inside Footy come up with. It looks as though they sat down and done it in 20 minutes, tossed some names around, and forgot a couple.
I will edit their work for them
I will edit their work for them
You're not giving these guys much of a chance, superfreak. A lot of their defenders are still very young and learning their caper ... Bower and Jamison have both played less than 25 games. Hurley won't be an instant fix either and may not even play defence at AFL.
superfreak
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So does hours of phone convos and meetings with recruiting managers and the like consistute having an informed opinion???
It took weeks to put the list together, not 20 minutes (now your uninformed!). Some players aren't on there due to the fact that they are as highky rated as all the armchair experts on Bigfooty think they are and pump them up to be. Just because all the 'Eddie Experts' on here have Steele Sidebottom and Sam Blease being the best thing since sliced bread and top 10 picks doesn't change mean that recruiters feel the same way.
Anyway, good luck with your list, hope you are right with your 'informed' picks.
superfreak
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Fair call mate, but having seen Hurley a fair bit over the past two years I feel comfortable in saying that he is a better player than those two and is in a postion to step in straight away. A defence consisting of Hurley, Bower, Jamieson, Thornton would be very good. Your right though, he can play at the other end with equal capability.
I'm certainly not usually one to spread the latest gossip, but having chatted with a bunch of Ziebell's mates only a couple of days ago, the lad has had a huge amount of interest from Richmond, with Carlton also very keen too. Not exactly ground breaking stuff, but I was kinda suprised that he'd feature so prominently on the Tigers radar. Not sure he'll last to them anyway, but there ya go.
ericpascoe
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"their need for a strong-bodied key defender is too great to overlook."
"In desperate need of a key defender."
We need an inside midfielder with pace or a key forward as much as we need another big defender.
IF NOT MORE.
Do people keep pulling this opinion out of the recycle bin so they don't have to think and look at our list?
Mark Austin is taller and faster than Michael Hurley.
And can play at both ends of the ground.
All we get is the same old tired opinions on a club's needs and a phantom draft with a few names shuffled around.
Yet this is the only Inside Football issue I buy in a year.
It's a redundant publication due to the internet giving us on demand access to information on the players and football news.
Do Jim Main and Crackers still write for Inside Football?
Yes yes - and that's why I maintain we will take Yarran if available
