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Possible Melbourne line-up for 2008

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CaptainDavey said:
Not a fan of Bartram, even after his brilliant debut season? I'd have him in ahead of Wheatley
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If I did a full team, he would have been listed on the bench.

I suppose the hard part for him is that he has to earn his spot again after effectively missing an entire season of football.

Wheatley did have a decent year though. He is versatile and gives good rebound.
 
Everyone has to get there team off the chest at some stage...

so here's mine:

Whelan, Caroll, Rivers
Bell, Bruce, Wheatley
Bartram,McLean, Green
Davey, Bate, Sylvia
Newton, Neitz, Robertson
White, Jones, J McDonald.

Inter: Frawley, Petterd, PJ, Mastern

Ok some inner thoughts behind the team. Play Bruce (remember the Tarrant towelling) and Bell at CHB depending on the matchup Bell on the harder types, has good spring so can play above his height. (If you havent got a Brown or Cornes in your team don't put an imposter in there...I say) Rivers plays his best football when let loose in the backline on the third tall so he should be used at CHB as an emergency button only.

Bate as a lead-up CHF with Newton and Neitz the big bodies when we are forced to bomb it in.

The rest is pretty self explanatory.

Can't wait to back him for the 8 and the premiership, thats a well balanced team...with a bit more depth to it than last year. The Big Aus doesn't miss an opportunity to make a buck out of his under-rated team
 
The lineup looks decent but it still doesn't have a perfect structure. To be honest, none of our key positions are solved there. Carroll doesn't look like a premiership-winning FB, Bruce won't be able to play on that many CHFs, Bate will struggle against quality CHBs and Neitz will be gone in a couple of years.

My idea is to heavily groom Frawley for FB, put Rivers and CHB on the best opposition forwards, play Bate and Sylvia as lead up CHFs (same idea as yours which I don't think is ideal but hopefully I'll be proved wrong) and then Newton remain groomed at FF for Neitz (I know that's essentially what you're geting at).

Hopefully we can pick up a key position player in the draft.
 
Big Aus said:
Everyone has to get there team off the chest at some stage...

so here's mine:

Whelan, Caroll, Rivers
Bell, Bruce, Wheatley
Bartram,McLean, Green
Davey, Bate, Sylvia
Newton, Neitz, Robertson
White, Jones, J McDonald.

Inter: Frawley, Petterd, PJ, Mastern

Ok some inner thoughts behind the team. Play Bruce (remember the Tarrant towelling) and Bell at CHB depending on the matchup Bell on the harder types, has good spring so can play above his height. (If you havent got a Brown or Cornes in your team don't put an imposter in there...I say) Rivers plays his best football when let loose in the backline on the third tall so he should be used at CHB as an emergency button only.

Bate as a lead-up CHF with Newton and Neitz the big bodies when we are forced to bomb it in.

The rest is pretty self explanatory.

Can't wait to back him for the 8 and the premiership, thats a well balanced team...with a bit more depth to it than last year. The Big Aus doesn't miss an opportunity to make a buck out of his under-rated team
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As good as Bruce was on Tarrant, I don't think he has the ability to consistently play CHB as he's always played on the ball or up forward. I think his talent is wasted playing key position and he would be exposed for his lack of knowledge concerning the position. And you've gotta realise...Towelling up Tarrant is one thing, but taking on the likes of Brown, Riewoldt, Lucas and Pavlich is a another.

Good team though
 

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Things I want to try in the NAB cup:

-Meesen and PJ as the ruck combination. We know what White can do and **** Jamar or maybe give him a go in a practice match if we bomb out.
-Frawley at full back
-Sylvia in the middle but floating forward to provide a dangerous option
-All young draft picks played and in correct positions
-TJ (if still around) as a half-back flanker
-Bartram back as the number 1 tagger
-Petterd in the middle
-Rivers playing as a traditional CHB
 
CowboyFromHell said:
We are too quick sometimes to stick all the kids in the team. It won't happen. We don't exactly know how Bailey is going to line us up for season 08 but you would think that guys like Yze will play from Round 1 (barring injury). Playing the kids is very tempting but it just won't happen with a fit list.
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I agree, playing the kids for the hell of it is not nessacarily the best thing for the team and the players. Personally, I think if the team is fully fit, then there will be a bunch of youngsters fighting for one or two spot(s). Competition is good. However, Bartram needs to be played as there is no real competition for a tagging role now that Godfrey has gone. Newton and Bate are really the only CHF options besides Miller and Bate will never be able to hold a CHF position for long.

Other than that, Petterd, Moloney, Sylvia, Bode and Dunn will have to work hard for selection to get a midfield spot. It is obvious by the way Bailey talked in his B&F speech that none of these players will be given a free ride purely because of their age - whoever puts in the commitment and hard work will get their spots, so yeah, these selections are pretty uselss unless we know all the players reallywell.
 
Any best 22 for next year should be built around Dean Bailey's future team.

FB: Bell .. ..... Frawley
HB:petterd Rivers Bartram
C: Dunn McLean Moloney
HF:Bate ......... Bode
FF: Davey Newton
R: Meesen Jones Sylvia
Int: Buckley

Missing: A ruckmen (or two), a full back, a centre half forward and a super quick midfielder.
Possible inclusions: Miller, Weetra, Garland, PJ, CJ, Warnock
 
master bate said:
Any best 22 for next year should be built around Dean Bailey's future team.

FB: Bell .. ..... Frawley
HB:petterd Rivers Bartram
C: Dunn McLean Moloney
HF:Bate ......... Bode
FF: Davey Newton
R: Meesen Jones Sylvia
Int: Buckley

Missing: A ruckmen (or two), a full back, a centre half forward and a super quick midfielder.
Possible inclusions: Miller, Weetra, Garland, PJ, CJ, Warnock
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chuck Henderson in at CHF and HOPEFULLY Rance at FB and maybe PJ somewhere in that forward line and white in for meesen on the bench.
thats what i am really hoping for, us to maybe trade CJ and pick 14 and maybe someone else to freo for theie pick 7. we get rance at 7 and Dawson Simpson at 21. and a quick middy in the PSD.
thoughts?
 
master bate said:
Any best 22 for next year should be built around Dean Bailey's future team.

FB: Bell .. ..... Frawley
HB:petterd Rivers Bartram
C: Dunn McLean Moloney
HF:Bate ......... Bode
FF: Davey Newton
R: Meesen Jones Sylvia
Int: Buckley

Missing: A ruckmen (or two), a full back, a centre half forward and a super quick midfielder.
Possible inclusions: Miller, Weetra, Garland, PJ, CJ, Warnock
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While it's a good idea in principle, it can't happen like that. Neitz, White, McDonald, Yze, Bruce, Green etc will all play a huge part in the next 2-3 years in not only providing experience but to take the load off the youngsters until they are fully mature and ready.

Chuck 6-7 of those older, experienced players into that team and it's starting to look good.
 
CowboyFromHell said:
While it's a good idea in principle, it can't happen like that. Neitz, White, McDonald, Yze, Bruce, Green etc will all play a huge part in the next 2-3 years in not only providing experience but to take the load off the youngsters until they are fully mature and ready.

Chuck 6-7 of those older, experienced players into that team and it's starting to look good.
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With injuries there is still room in that team for the senior guys to play, but I think the position holes that I've left (CHF, FB, Ruck) are what we should draft for.
 
FB: Bartram, Rivers, Caroll
HB: Bruce, Miller, Whelan
C: Green, Jones, Dunn
HF: Petterd, Bate, Bode
FF: Davey, Neitz, Robertson
R: White, McLean, McDonald
I: Sylvia, Wheatley, Meesan, Bell
EME: Buckley, Holland, Newton

There's also got to be room for some young drafted players, Brad Miller needs to be used as a CHB, A hard pre season for Miller and I can see him having a good year in the backline. Bartram and Whelan pick up small forwards while Caroll takes the third best tall, I can't see Caroll as a premiership full back. A hard pre season for Rivers and if all goes well with no injury problems Rivers should be our full back the only problem he is just struggling to find a bit of pace. Cam Bruce floating across the half back line looks nice with him also able to go on the ball and do a tagging job but I would like to see Bruce running off the half back line this year and do what TJ done in the last game against Carlton. Brad Green and Lynden Dunn both need good seasons, Lyndyn Dunn is a huge part of the future and I can see both him and Brad Green kicking a few goals of the wing. Matthew Bate needs to be the CHF, He is a great player and a big part of our future with Jace Bode and Ricky Petterd both starting on the half forward flank, They do are a big part in out future and are both capable of kicking us some goals. I would start Neitz and Robbo both in the goalsqaure both playing as full forwards with Davey at there feet. With Neitz and Robbo in the goalsqaure it will give us something to kick to. Jeff White in the ruck with Jones, McLean and McDonald getting the most game time in the middle. Nathan Jones and Brock McLean are just lacking pace to being great midfielders, If they can just get that half a meter quicker it will help them and our club a whole lot. Wheatley and Bell both capable of stopping a good forward and Wheatley a nice long kick are both a big help to have on the bench with Colin Sylvia who I beleive can be the next Mark Riciuto on the bench also John Meesen as the back up ruckman for Jeff White.
Why No Micheal Newton sure i love watching him fly for big marks but he needs another season with Sandy, He can take a good mark and kick a good goal but he is just to soft at the moment and not needed in the starting 22 next year.
 
Aussie_Ash said:
FB: Bartram, Rivers, Caroll
HB: Bruce, Miller, Whelan
C: Green, Jones, Dunn
HF: Petterd, Bate, Bode
FF: Davey, Neitz, Robertson
R: White, McLean, McDonald
I: Sylvia, Wheatley, Meesan, Bell
EME: Buckley, Holland, Newton

There's also got to be room for some young drafted players, Brad Miller needs to be used as a CHB, A hard pre season for Miller and I can see him having a good year in the backline. Bartram and Whelan pick up small forwards while Caroll takes the third best tall, I can't see Caroll as a premiership full back. A hard pre season for Rivers and if all goes well with no injury problems Rivers should be our full back the only problem he is just struggling to find a bit of pace. Cam Bruce floating across the half back line looks nice with him also able to go on the ball and do a tagging job but I would like to see Bruce running off the half back line this year and do what TJ done in the last game against Carlton. Brad Green and Lynden Dunn both need good seasons, Lyndyn Dunn is a huge part of the future and I can see both him and Brad Green kicking a few goals of the wing. Matthew Bate needs to be the CHF, He is a great player and a big part of our future with Jace Bode and Ricky Petterd both starting on the half forward flank, They do are a big part in out future and are both capable of kicking us some goals. I would start Neitz and Robbo both in the goalsqaure both playing as full forwards with Davey at there feet. With Neitz and Robbo in the goalsqaure it will give us something to kick to. Jeff White in the ruck with Jones, McLean and McDonald getting the most game time in the middle. Nathan Jones and Brock McLean are just lacking pace to being great midfielders, If they can just get that half a meter quicker it will help them and our club a whole lot. Wheatley and Bell both capable of stopping a good forward and Wheatley a nice long kick are both a big help to have on the bench with Colin Sylvia who I beleive can be the next Mark Riciuto on the bench also John Meesen as the back up ruckman for Jeff White.
Why No Micheal Newton sure i love watching him fly for big marks but he needs another season with Sandy, He can take a good mark and kick a good goal but he is just to soft at the moment and not needed in the starting 22 next year.
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How Dare You suggest such a thing. Did you even watch him play at senior level? Not one to shirk a contest, once he develops a bigger body he'll be a force in our forward line.

If you don't think hes best 22 at least come up with a valid excuse. With all players available, Bode isn't best 22. He's a fumbler, three touches before he gets ahold of the ball shows me that he is a solid depth player at best.
 
look Micheal Newton is one of my favourite players but i stick by what I say he is soft and he is also that pace to slow at the moment. Did you watch Sandringham in the first semi of the VFL if that didnt show you that Newton is soft now then I dont know what can. Sure he has played a few good games but on who, If a Egan or Barry play's on him Newton wont get a kick, I dont want to knock this guy because I really like watching him play and he has a good future but he is not ready to be in the Melbourne line up if we have a chance of making the finals which I beleive we can make this year. If he gets a run I wont be dissapointed but I do not think he is ready yet that is it.

And onto Jace Bode, He has fumbled at times but he still has shown alot in a few games and has put his body on the line, Why not give him a go at the start of the year then lets see what happens with him.
 

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Why should I be banned sorry but I am only saying what I think, Ive got nothing against Newton he will be our full foward in five years and looks like he will be a good one but hes 20 why not give him a season with Sandy to help him more with his game.
 
I might as well jump on board and post a 2008 line up.

B: Whelan - Carroll - Frawley
HB: Bell - Rivers - Wheatley
C: Green - Jones - Sylvia
HF: Bate - Newton - Bruce
F: Robertson - Neitz - Davey
R: White - McLean - McDonald

INT: Meesen - Moloney - Yze - Bartram

Buckley
Holland
Miller
P. Johnson
Dunn
Petterd
C. Johnson
Garland
Weetra
Ferguson
Warnock
Jamar
Bode

Harder than I thought. Even if Frawley isn't 100% ready for senior footy yet, I think we need to develop key backmen ASAP, which is why I have him in the side.

I'd love to see Dunn and Petterd in there as well, but unfortunately I had to go with more experienced types on Yze and Moloney on the bench.
 
Aussie_Ash said:
Why should I be banned sorry but I am only saying what I think, Ive got nothing against Newton he will be our full foward in five years and looks like he will be a good one but hes 20 why not give him a season with Sandy to help him more with his game.
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Would you like to walk out on your own or be dragged out kicking and screaming?
 
melbournemartin said:
Would you like to walk out on your own or be dragged out kicking and screaming?
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Everyone is greatly overrating Newton. He's had one OK year. I know he is officially the cult hero of the MFC but everyone is carrying on like he's the newly crowned coleman medallist or club B&F. In saying that he should be 22 game player in 2008, 25 if all goes to plan:D
 

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I agree about Newton. He didn't show much compared to other KP prospects at other clubs (Westhof, Hawkins, etc). He's certainly no replacement for Neitz yet/
 
I agree that he probably isn't ready to replace Neitz on his own but the beauty is we'll still have Bate, Sylvia, Dunn and a bit of Robbo left to help him out. I'd like to see a Neitz-less forward line for a game or two in the pre-season though. The signs look very good for Newton, even if the stats don't completely show it yet.
 
Aussie_Ash said:
Why should I be banned sorry but I am only saying what I think, Ive got nothing against Newton he will be our full foward in five years and looks like he will be a good one but hes 20 why not give him a season with Sandy to help him more with his game.
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Don't worry, they're just joking. You're not going to get banned...unless you start dishing it out to Brock.
 
melbournemartin said:
We're not used to having genuine key position forward prospects. It seems as if we were kidding ourselves with Miller.
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Our last gun forward recruit was the Ox (Neitz started at CHB!). No-one has come close to him since.
 
B: Wheatley - Carroll - Petterd
HB: Rivers - Bell - Frawley
C: Green - Bartram (tagging) - Bruce
HF: Robo - Bate - Sylvia
F: Newton - Neitz - Davey
R: White - McLean - McDonald

INT: Meesen - Moloney - Buckley - Jones

EMERGENCY: Miller, Jamar, C. Johnson


sounds about right to me.
 

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