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Opinion 2017 Draft Discussion - Pick 3 - Poll added
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Can anyone tell me why Jack Higgins didn't get any love, he does everything well, goal kicking mid, is it that he's short? 178cm
Jimmae
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I'm only talking about what they did at U18 level. They all showed their versatility there. You're banking on something that we might not see until the U18 All Star game.
I think Bonar's speed/endurance combination, and the shape he has returned in see him go that early. I think he would compliment Cripps and Charlie beautifully.
We've had the Patmore discussion, and I prefer him to Kelly, who I guess I am hoping will slide a little bit.
Roughsedge is a gamble for the club that takes him, as it may be another 18 months before he even looks remotely AFL capable, with the problem being the VFL may not even challenge him to improve his running power. So you're banking on his determination to get him accelerating his progress faster than the rest, and his body to withstand the pressure.
That makes him a difficult decision to put on an AFL list at all this year, but I would like us to assume that risk. In doing so, I think the 2-year contract should give him the confidence that we're in it for the long haul with him.
Unless we shake another rookie, there's a priority to take a ruck. What little I've seen of him suggests he doesn't have enough of a first step to make an impact as a midfielder or a defender.
I know he's been getting good numbers, but I'm not sure he's even got a state combine invite at this point.
He'll go 8-15 IMO. Has good endurance, but hasn't shown an ability to step into midfield and make an impact just yet. You get a high quality forward who will work up the ground at this stage.
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I'm banking on what I see may come about.I'm not sure why this notion is so hard to fathom?
My read may well be wrong, but I can't help seeing what I see. Does that make sense yet? Maybe, right?
Jimmae
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It makes sense, it's just an incredibly high risk strategy with a top 5 pick when there at least equally capable, easily projected players with just as much upside sitting right there.
I'm not sure why this notion is so hard to fathom?
My read may well be wrong, but I can't help seeing what I see. Does that make sense yet? Maybe, right?
You're in the SR & WH school of drafting with those thoughts.
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That's not a good thing, right?
I have though put forward my reasons for this. Would not normally go this way.
We all see things one way and interpret them another.
Knowing the guys would make things easier and it's somewhat difficult getting a read on characters just from facial expressions.
I do though see reasons for wilder fluctuations of what is seen to be the top 5 and the top 10, than in more recent years. It may make it exciting.
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If we did take on Rockcliff and got Kennedy, could we set out sights for something other than an inside midfielder?
Best available, but that can change dependent on the other pieces in place.
Best available, but that can change dependent on the other pieces in place.
If we snag 17 from the crows I reckon he falls into that range.....
*based on what I read
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Rayner.
Play as that damaging forward with spells in the midfield.
I just keep thinking how good our forward line could potentially be with him and Charlie in it.
Bolton has always talked about players flexibility and being able to play a variety of roles. So I wouldn't be too put off by this guy plays a bit of this and a bit of that. Rayner is a forward, who plays a bit of midfield with the long term view of being a midfielder who plays forward occasionally for example. That type of flexibility would appeal.
(I only used Rayner as the example as he's the only one I'm aware of that can genuinely play 2 positions)
Add that the acquisition of Rockliff and Kennedy would allow guys like Murph and Samo to play more outside and venture forward and also that Rocky does alright as a forward. I think Crippa might continue to venture forward on more occasions to ty and create defensive mismatches and hit the scoreboard. It all starts to read as a reasonably flexible group of mids/mid-fwds/charlie for rotations when you line them all up
I would suspect they'd go an inside mid to develop specifically while Rockliff was there and save his young body from the bash n crash.
He reminds me of Diesel but I doubt we'd draft him even if he's still there, as we really need a 'pure mid', unless he's drafted to replace Wright's spot.
Bonar has been poor in recent weeks, so unless he starts to show some consistency, I would suggest he will drift. Have always thought he would be a 3rd rounder given his injuries
Yes we have had the Patmore discussion, would rather Hayden ahead of Patmore and Kelly (Concerned with him being a flight risk)
I believe Roughsedge is ahead of Bonar, despite being over age (only 5 months compared to eligible draftees). He is no further behind most of the draftees fitness wise, considering most need 2 to 3 preseasons
Valid points.
Most of the guys at the pointy end of the draft, will play dual position, with different degrees of success
Higgins.....gets his own footy, kicks goals.
Hopefully he's still there around 10-17, assuming things line up.
I would be rapt if we had pick 10, was still around and SOS selected him. Still think he is the best natural player of all the draftees
Jimmae
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See with Bonar, at least you know he can play medium forward and has the tank and speed for a dynamic midfield role if he can wrap his head around it.
With Roughsedge you're hoping he catches up very quickly in the first 12 months. Short of a disaster on the medical, I don't see how clubs take Roughsedge earlier than Bonar, at all.
But look, anything that means we don't have to trade away as many assets to secure a guy like Bonar is a-ok by me, because it opens up opportunities to get greater assurance of securing guys like Parish and Tim Kelly.
There's a huge opportunity to transform our midfield stocks with this draft.
I prefer we stay well away from Parish, guys like him and Patmore just butcher the ball. So many guys late in the draft that a very good ball users
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