CHIMP MAGNET
Premiership Player
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Pav and Sandy aren't on 1m, while I agree NR was close.
Pav & Sandi were both on over a mill in 2012, Pav dropped under last year, Nick just took a 500k pay cut, but was on a mill for years.
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Pav and Sandy aren't on 1m, while I agree NR was close.
Cotchin Martin Deledio Rance Riewoldt are all A gradeWell anyone to be honest. They are "good players" but are replaceable.
Dangerfield is A grade. Absolute.
Would improve our team no end. Your saying opposition look at us and say, gee Jackson and Foley will be hard to match up on? Not at all. Even though Jackson won a best and fairest, don't get blinded by it.
Hardwick loves a battler.
Me, I prefer class.
Fold VFL side and just have 25 on list.Ok I'm going to ask again, how do people expect us to make a play for Dangerfield, likely to cost $800k+, plus sign Cotchin our captain, Rance our number 1 KPD, Ellis & Martin 2 potentially elite long term midfielders and Foley & Jackson 2 long serving quality midfielders?
After ONE good year you want to sell the farm?lolLMAO @ not getting a gun so we can keep Foley & Jackson. Christ I'd even sacrifice Ellis or Conca as well to get someone like Dangerfield.
I'd seriously give up anyone bar Cotchin & Martin for Jeremy Cameron.
Cotchin Martin Deledio Rance Riewoldt are all A grade
Ellis Miles Vlastuin all potential A graders.
If we bring in a Dangerfield odd are we lose 1 of them and while you'll no doubt say that we're still better off with getting Dangerfield, we're not when you factor in losing a couple of quality B graders in the process. That is my first point.
The thing with Jackson and Foley is that while clubs don't look at them and say gee they are tough to match up on, but they do know that both are capable of having an impact on the game by getting in and feeding the ball out to Cotchin Martin Deledio & Ellis among others. This is where they become important to our side. If they go and the replacements happened to be Arnot & Helbig do you think we're going to get the same sort of performance as what we currently get? I doubt that we will even with the addition of Dangerfield. That's my second point.
Hardwick might like a battler, but truth be told sides are only as good as their battlers allow them to be. We've had most of the guys I listed as A graders for the whole time Hardwick has been here, it's no coincidence that as the support around them has become better our results have become better(yes, this year sucked but that's a different story and been covered). Like I showed above, we've got plenty of A graders/potential A graders on our list already. What we need to do is continue to surround them with quality support. It doesn't necessarily have to be Higgins and/or Mackay that come in to add that support, it might mean developing those that we've already got or are bringing in at seasons end through the draft. That's my 3rd point
You talk about me being blinded, I think a lot of our supporters are blinded by the results of this year. They see us struggling this year and think we need to go out and recruit a gun player like Dangerfield to become a genuine threat again. Dangerfield doesn't become available until the end of next season. By then we could have Ellis Miles and Vlastuin all stepping up to become A grade talent. We might also have the likes of Lennon & McDonough stepping up and becoming quality B graders. Vickery or Griffiths or McBean might step up and become quality support to Jack. There is plenty of time between now and next year when all these big name FA become available and we might not need to go chasing a big name FA, especially if we get it right with what we already have and adding some cheaper quality support.
Why are we discussing Dangerfield?how on earth could we get him?
Higgins would be ok If you can get him for free and pay him 400k a year...... anything more than that then it becomes risky IMO..
Foley, Jackson, Higgins Or Dangerfield, Thomas, McDonough.... Superstars at key points are worth every cent compared to solid average players. The kind of planing and onfield work that gets put into top liners has way more impact than 3 average blokes compared to the slightly lesser output of playing a few extra younger guys. Being a supporter isn't the same as being a fanboi.
After ONE good year you want to sell the farm?lol
LMAO - would probably take ONE very good player and a trade of picks to their advantage - hardly "selling the farm" - and if you seriously think Cameron's only going to be a one-year wonder then I'd suggest you're in dire need of a clue.
How do we know he isn't going to be a one hit wonder?
Big risk to take.
Watch him play mate. Had a down year, struggling with injury, but he's a dead set gun.
Wrong on the bold IMO clearly. Apart from the general reasons GWS, like Riccuito said, simply will not be able to have players of the quality and type of Cameron, Patton and Boyd in the team under the cap and capable of winning a premiership!!!
Regarding Dangerfield v Foley and Jackson. Dangerfield is clearly of more value. Frankly i do not think when push comes to shove we will chase Danger and he is a little over valued in some quarters. Having said that, IMO he is worth more than Jackson and Foley, apart from the general assessments because Foley and Jackson can be replaced. More importantly because Jackson and Foley can be replaced they can be nulified or effect kept to a minimum. Danger on the other hand is harder to stop which is important winning and competing giveing you the edge you need to achieve success. How much of an edge is debatable but the edge is there IMO clearly.
Seriously though, what some of these trade discussions indicates to me IMO is some posters, not all, massively overrated some of our players in terms of the wages they should be commanding!!
I will not name names but Dusty for example, IMO, is clearly not over paid, particularly in comparison to the others!!
Why have you quoted me about Dangerfield v Jackson/Foley?
I didn't think I did. I quoted you about Boyd going/not going from GWS as part of a dual contrary response to save time for me.
I didn't post about Boyd...
I would pay 200K for Higgins anything more is too much!! 400K for Higgins harbours wooden spoon desires IMO!
From WA and freo have supported him through 3 years of injury = no chance of leavingWhat about Moribito?
Injury plagued but was a star before getting injured.
He won't cost much and might be looking for a fresh start.
Sauce? Also a technical point Freo wasn't a GF team then.Pav & Sandi were both on over a mill in 2012, Pav dropped under last year, Nick just took a 500k pay cut, but was on a mill for years.