COP26 whats expected, whats delivered

[Ned_Flanders]

How many emissions from bombs and firearms? Someone tell China.

On another topic, what’s this feed additive that reduces methane coming from cows?

There are a bunch, but all have issues (mainly cost). Derived from stuff like kelp.

The issue for Australia is the vast majority of our herds are pasture fed (unlike the northern hemisphere) so it's a cost burden we will feel more than them.

Between methane, water use, and contamination (feedlots are shocking for spreading ecoli) there pressure on current meat growing practices will only ramp up.

And I am a carnivore, but water in particular is a looming problem

 

[Seeds]

1 + 1 = whatever you want it to be, Seeds. Why military intervention, not education in Algeria ?

The only way us western people can stop the terrible treatment of girls in afghanistan and help the dire economic situation is to invade and overthrow the taliban and help set up strong economic and democratic institutional infrastructure.

how the hell is the west going to help educate people in a dictatorship with strong control on information?


i would support invasion. Im assuming that poster does too if he has thought his complaint through.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

More emissions from FLOP26, shameful

Camilla blown away by Biden’s ‘long fart’

President Joe Biden let out a long, loud fart while speaking with the Duchess of Cornwall at the COP26 summit.

www.news.com.au

 

[spinynorman]

For the "but China!" people out there.

 

[Rob R]

For the "but China!" people out there.

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Any chance you might use recent figures? Chinas official emissions per capita have tripled and are much higher than that graph. That is before you factor in that they have been busted lying again and again and plan to keep growing them for a while yet.

We need to do more ourselves clearly but Xi needs to stop crying poor to avoid taking action.

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[Seeds]

For the "but China!" people out there.

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Ok thanks you have just posted an argument to claim carbon taxes will not hurt poor people compared to rich.

there goes the lefty argument to give poor people subisidies for carbon taxes because it unfairly impacts the poor.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Ok thanks you have just posted an argument to claim carbon taxes will not hurt poor people compared to rich.

there goes the lefty argument to give poor people subisidies for carbon taxes because it unfairly impacts the poor.

many of the poor in india dont even have mains power. how will a carbon subsidy help them?

 

[Blue Arrow]

Jeez, look at that huuuuuuge slice that is China.
This is from 2020 so with all those coal fired power stations they have built since then it will be bigger now.
Yeah, Australia is the problem.

 

[Pessimistic]

There are a bunch, but all have issues (mainly cost). Derived from stuff like kelp.

The issue for Australia is the vast majority of our herds are pasture fed (unlike the northern hemisphere) so it's a cost burden we will feel more than them.

Between methane, water use, and contamination (feedlots are shocking for spreading ecoli) there pressure on current meat growing practices will only ramp up.

And I am a carnivore, but water in particular is a looming problem

Kill the Burpz tax ( I always thought it was fartz. this debate has been....enlightening)

 

[Pessimistic]

How many emissions from bombs and firearms? Someone tell China.

On another topic, what’s this feed additive that reduces methane coming from cows?

What about fireworks? when I was a lad we had a box of pathetic squbs which last 40mins on Nov 5 if you were lucky.

Britain collectively hand wrung over COP26 then it let off what must be hundreds of tons of gunpowder. In the village I was staying they were going constantly from dusk to midnight three nights running

Wont someone think of the poor pets?

 

[Cmarsh]

So India drives a watered down deal that protects the continued use of coal for energy production.

My prediction is the MSM will emphasise and spin the positives, because to be critical would be seen to be racist.

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/to-limit-future-flooding-in-sydney-cop26-pledges-need-action

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/to-limit-future-flooding-in-sydney-cop26-pledges-need-action

We need more billionaires buying up waterfront properties to demonstrate their belief in rising sea levels.

 

[Seeds]

Jeez, look at that huuuuuuge slice that is China.
This is from 2020 so with all those coal fired power stations they have built since then it will be bigger now.
Yeah, Australia is the problem.


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australia exports a lot of the coal to supply those chinese power plants. We dont dig it up then coal prices go up and china stops building coal plants.

 

[Kwality]

Technology to address global warning needs to be delivered ASAP, like cement:

Cement is responsible for 8% of global emissions—but it doesn’t have to be

A new startup, backed by Bill Gates’s Breakthrough Energy Ventures, is producing the ubiquitous building material in a way that doesn’t release huge amounts of CO2.

www.fastcompany.com

cement-is-responsible-for-8-of-global-emissions-but-it-doesnt-have-to-be

....even if the cement is made with fossil fuels for now, it will still be carbon neutral. If it’s made with renewable energy, it “would be highly carbon negative,” he says.

 

[Kwality]

COP27 is 2 months away.

Collapse of G20 talks sparks fear of ‘backtracking’ on climate pledges​

Collapse of G20 talks sparks fear of ‘backtracking’ on climate pledges

Climate and energy ministers clash over climate finance, methane, shipping, carbon levies and the world’s warming limit at talks in Bali.

reneweconomy.com.au

There was no agreement on language to reduce methane emission despite more than 100 countries signing on to a ‘global methane pledge’ at Cop26 to cut collective methane emissions 30% by 2030. China, India and Russia have not signed up.

Another knees up talkfest ??

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

COP27 is 2 months away.

Collapse of G20 talks sparks fear of ‘backtracking’ on climate pledges​

Collapse of G20 talks sparks fear of ‘backtracking’ on climate pledges

Climate and energy ministers clash over climate finance, methane, shipping, carbon levies and the world’s warming limit at talks in Bali.

reneweconomy.com.au

There was no agreement on language to reduce methane emission despite more than 100 countries signing on to a ‘global methane pledge’ at Cop26 to cut collective methane emissions 30% by 2030. China, India and Russia have not signed up.

Another knees up talkfest ??

I’m shocked to be sitting here

 

[Rob R]

COP27 is 2 months away.

Collapse of G20 talks sparks fear of ‘backtracking’ on climate pledges​

Collapse of G20 talks sparks fear of ‘backtracking’ on climate pledges

Climate and energy ministers clash over climate finance, methane, shipping, carbon levies and the world’s warming limit at talks in Bali.

reneweconomy.com.au

There was no agreement on language to reduce methane emission despite more than 100 countries signing on to a ‘global methane pledge’ at Cop26 to cut collective methane emissions 30% by 2030. China, India and Russia have not signed up.

Another knees up talkfest ??

Don't knock it achieved it's main purpose of getting a bunch of lobbyists attention and more money.

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[Fire]

Jeez, look at that huuuuuuge slice that is China.
This is from 2020 so with all those coal fired power stations they have built since then it will be bigger now.
Yeah, Australia is the problem.


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Well I mean yeah, were like the 60th most populated country yet I count us as 17th on that list. China has 54x our population; God help the world if they polluted and much as we did.

Your line of th honking is idiotic and cancerous. Please make a cogent argument why a family in a country like China should be expected to suffer and sacrifice to get their carbon footprint down, whereas a family in Australia should just get a pass, despite us already polluting twice as much as them. Is it because we are just so wonderously special?

Like it or not, no matter where you draw boarders on a map, we are a global community of individuals and we all have to pitch in here if we are ever going to succeed.

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[Kwality]

With COP27 around the corner .....

We’re headed for 2.4-2.8C of warming​

The Emissions Gap report described progress made since the Cop26 climate talks in Glasgow as “woefully inadequate”.

The updated 2030 climate plans submitted this year reduce projected emissions in 2030 by less than 1%. Countries’ combined climate plans, including targets conditional on international finance, would reduce emissions by 10% by 2030 compared with projections based on current policies.

That’s far off track the 45% reductions scientists say are needed to keep 1.5C within reach.

World is heading for 2.4°C to 2.8°C warming: State of the climate ahead of Cop27

Emissions are still rising, pledges to 2030 put the world on track for 2.5C of warming but fossil fuel demand is nearing its peak.

reneweconomy.com.au

All those fine aspirations from the virtuous, will they bring excuses & pass the buck OR simply re run COP26 with revised figures.

Its a bloody long time since Rudd/Wong@Copenhagen2009 & the greatest moral challenge of our time. What will Albo/Minister (who?) bring to the table.

 

[Rob R]

With COP27 around the corner .....

We’re headed for 2.4-2.8C of warming​

The Emissions Gap report described progress made since the Cop26 climate talks in Glasgow as “woefully inadequate”.

The updated 2030 climate plans submitted this year reduce projected emissions in 2030 by less than 1%. Countries’ combined climate plans, including targets conditional on international finance, would reduce emissions by 10% by 2030 compared with projections based on current policies.

That’s far off track the 45% reductions scientists say are needed to keep 1.5C within reach.

World is heading for 2.4°C to 2.8°C warming: State of the climate ahead of Cop27

Emissions are still rising, pledges to 2030 put the world on track for 2.5C of warming but fossil fuel demand is nearing its peak.

reneweconomy.com.au

All those fine aspirations from the virtuous, will they bring excuses & pass the buck OR simply re run COP26 with revised figures.

Its a bloody long time since Rudd/Wong@Copenhagen2009 & the greatest moral challenge of our time. What will Albo/Minister (who?) bring to the table.

Not a surprise, most attendees at COP26 went for the parties and headlines not to actually achieve anything. Add in countries that are too poor (developing world), just lie (China) and the dodgy offset credit programs and of course emissions will keep going up.

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[Kwality]

Not a surprise, most attendees at COP26 went for the parties and headlines not to actually achieve anything. Add in countries that are too poor (developing world), just lie (China) and the dodgy offset credit programs and of course emissions will keep going up.

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All true & there is more, e.g the aspirational numbers, the %, does it include China & India pulling their weight or not, BECAUSE they do not intend to reduce emissions as the rest of the world intends.

The numbers are RUBBERY at best ........

 

[Kwality]

Australia’s carbon report card smeared in red ink as climate action goes backwards

Australia has spent more on fossil fuel subsidies and done less on climate disclosure. Will the new government change this?

reneweconomy.com.au

'The COP27 meeting in Egypt will focus on how countries have gone about achieving targets around phasing out fossil-fuel subsidies and supports, pricing carbon emissions and implementing mandatory climate-risk disclosure for investors.

Globally, the world hasn’t done particularly well.

G20 government support for fossil fuels was at its highest level since 2014 at $US693 billion, driven by retail energy price subsidies, tax breaks and budgetary transfers.

Of the mere six countries that pledged last year to phase out coal power, five increased their reliance on the form of power.'


When are the people attending these talkfests going to admit that aspirations arent worth the white board they are written on:

The Implementation COP: What to look out for at COP27 | Gilbert + Tobin Lawyers: Law Firm in Sydney, Melbourne & Perth

This year’s UN Climate Change Conference, the 27th Conference of the Parties (COP27), will be held from 7-18 November 2022, and will see governments, industry, non-government organisations and other climate stakeholders from across the globe travel to Sharm El-Sheikh in Egypt.

www.gtlaw.com.au

'The Australian delegation will be attending COP27 with a new Federal Government and an updated NDC sporting a more ambitious emissions reduction target of 43% below 2005 levels by 2030 (rather than the previous government’s 26-28% reduction target), and commitment net zero by 2050. These targets are now enshrined in legislation through the Climate Change Act 2022 (Cth). Australia will likely take opportunities at COP27 to engage with other Parties on its new commitments and the suite of decarbonisation policies which it is looking to implement, for example, the National Electric Vehicle Strategy, upgrading the national electricity grid, and reforming the Safeguard Mechanism.

Australia will also be hosting a Pavilion, which we expect will be used to provide a platform for First Nations communities, to showcase Australia’s climate partnerships with Pacific Island nations and South East Asia, and to provide a space for strengthening these regional relationships. Australia’s recent efforts to actively engage with the Pacific include the former Federal Government’s decision to double Australia’s climate finance for developing countries to $2 billion from 2021 to 2025 at COP26, with a significant portion of this finance directed to supporting Australia’s Pacific neighbours to strengthen climate resilience and deploy renewable energy infrastructure. More recently, the current Prime Minister joined other foreign ministers in declaring a climate emergency in the Pacific at the Pacific Islands Forum in July. Further, the ongoing development of the Indo-Pacific Carbon Offsets Scheme (IPCOS) is likely to provide a particular focus for engagement among Australia and Indo-Pacific Parties.

COP27 may provide opportunities for Australian business stakeholders to engage in discussions around the Federal Government’s ambition and climate initiatives, and capacity-building opportunities in the region, including with respect to IPCOS. Carbon market participants will also want to keep a close eye on Article 6 negotiations, and any developments with respect to the types of activities that will be able to generate credits under the Article 6.4 mechanism.

Businesses will also be interested in following progress on the Business Manifesto for Climate Recovery which was launched by the World Business Council for Sustainable Development at COP26 in the Business Pavilion, and calls for a new ‘Corporate Determined Contributions’ mechanism to measure the private sectors’ contributions to global decarbonisation.

We will be tracking the progress of the climate change negotiations at COP27 closely and reporting on key takeaways and themes daily. Sign up to our newsletter here to stay up-to-date. Our daily reports will include updates specific to industry as well as the public sector and the broader community. '

 

[Kwality]

australia exports a lot of the coal to supply those chinese power plants. We dont dig it up then coal prices go up and china stops building coal plants.

How has that worked ?

 

[Kwality]

COP27: Dark clouds hang over Egypt ahead of climate change summit​

ABC Science
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By environment reporter Nick Kilvert and Sarah Dingle

Posted Sun 6 Nov 2022

Egypt might be hosting COP27 but it has a list of environmental topics that could see you thrown in jail

Price gouging, human rights issues, and questions over Egypt's own climate credentials are casting a shadow over COP27 before it even gets underway.

www.abc.net.au

Can we expect anything more from our Government than we got at COP26 ?
WHY NOT?