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jmac70 said:
Feds are responsible for international boarders. This is a fact.
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In reality no. You can't fly internationally if you're not allowed entry into your disembarkation point. As the states controlled entry into their state, they controlled who could fly internationally into their state. Thus they controlled international entries and they did use this control to prohibit entry. They controlled the international border in their own state, despite people going through federal customs.

Im a Labour man, but the Labour States can't pin this on the Feds. They insisted on their own control of state and international borders.
 
sr36 said:
In reality no. You can't fly internationally if you're not allowed entry into your disembarkation point. As the states controlled entry into their state, they controlled who could fly internationally into their state. Thus they controlled international entries and they did use this control to prohibit entry. They controlled their own international border, despite people going through federal customs.
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No. The Feds control the international boarders. Current state restrictions in terms of international arrivals are approved via national cabinet
 
jmac70 said:
No. The Feds control the international boarders. Current state restrictions in terms of international arrivals are approved via national cabinet
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They control the international border, but states control who can enter the state. It was insisted upon by the states. So travellers in theory could clear customs in Queensland, but they could not enter Queensland, so airlines wouldn't let passengers fly.

It would have been a legal nightmare to sort out and would still be in the courts if the Feds wanted to push their right of control on who could enter Australia, because the states were insisting on control of who could enter.
 

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sr36 said:
They control the international border, but states control who can enter the state. It was insisted upon by the states. So travellers in theory could clear customs in Queensland, but they could not enter Queensland, so airlines wouldn't let passengers fly.
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The whole point is that a national approach to quarantine makes sense. Particularly for a wealthy country with the means to achieve it.

This has been one pandemic. There could well be others coming,
 
jmac70 said:
The whole point is that a national approach to quarantine makes sense. Particularly for a wealthy country with the means to achieve it.

This has been one pandemic. There could well be others coming,
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Do you think it would have worked out better with the Feds in charge and having to deal with each states DHHS and various labour laws?
 
TheGreatGrundy said:
States limited arrivals by specifying the number of returnees they were prepared to take. The states directly determined the country's ability to return Australians to our shores.
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Perhaps if the Feds built some facilities we might get more people home.
 
TheGreatGrundy said:
States limited arrivals by specifying the number of returnees they were prepared to take. The states directly determined the country's ability to return Australians to our shores.
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The numbers are decided by national cabinet. So both state and fed
 
TheGreatGrundy said:
States limited arrivals by specifying the number of returnees they were prepared to take. The states directly determined the country's ability to return Australians to our shores.
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Yep. They controlled the airports - which flights could enter and how many could be on it. They controlled entry into the state, who could be on the airplanes. The Feds also had rules on who could enter, but essentially just put a stamp in people's passports if they were allowed entry.
 
sr36 said:
Yep. They controlled the airports - which flights could enter and how many could be on it. They controlled entry into the state, who could be on the airplanes. The Feds also had rules on who could enter, but essentially just put a stamp in people's passports if they were allowed entry.
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No. These decisions are made by national cabinet.
 

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sr36 said:
No they're not. What could national cabinet do when Victoria decided to close their airports to international flights?
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That decision was made with the approval of the federal government.
 
TheGreatGrundy said:
National cabinet is the states and the Fed. The states determine the entry numbers and national cabinet accepts the offer. The Feds don't decide the numbers. Look at how Victoria has totally ignored its contribution altogether for about 3 weeks.
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TheGreatGrundy said:
No. It's to do with the intent behind posting a gif and the manner in which it is interpreted in the context.
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good night
 
jmac70 said:
That decision was made with the approval of the federal government.
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And how would it have gone if the Feds said no? Especially considering they were already allowing Queensland to evectively control entry.

From the start the Feds could have insisted aggressively to have control of all borders. Constitutionally they can make a good case supposedly. But do you think that would have been better in terms of how effectively Australia has a aged covid.
 
sr36 said:
And how would it have gone if the Feds said no? Especially considering they were already allowing Queensland to evectively control entry.

From the start the Feds could have insisted aggressively to have control of all borders. Constitutionally they can make a good case supposedly. But do you think that would have been better in terms of how effectively Australia has a aged covid.
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If little Albanese had been at the helm with Penny Wong, Chris Bowen and Tanya Plibersek as his co-leaders, this country would have run like clockwork and we'd have eradicated covid? We've had the 'what if' Liberal scenarios - 'how much worse would Victoria's covid experience if ,,,? etc'. How would the crisis have been handled by a federal Labor government?
 
TheGreatGrundy said:
If little Albanese had been at the helm with Penny Wong, Chris Bowen and Tanya Plibersek as his co-leaders, this country would have run like clockwork and we'd have eradicated covid? We've had the 'what if' Liberal scenarios - 'how much worse would Victoria's covid experience if ,,,? etc'. How would the crisis have been handled by a federal Labor government?
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It's extraordinary. States have insisted on being in charge of borders including international ones. Now theyve decided its too hard, they're trying to blame the Feds for not having taken charge. And are suggesting a ridiculous expensive solution that will probably be unnecessary by the time it's built.
 
sr36 said:
They control the international border, but states control who can enter the state. It was insisted upon by the states. So travellers in theory could clear customs in Queensland, but they could not enter Queensland, so airlines wouldn't let passengers fly.

It would have been a legal nightmare to sort out and would still be in the courts if the Feds wanted to push their right of control on who could enterAustralia, because the states were insisting on control of who could enter.
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No, that’s incorrect. The federal government has control on the international border not the states and there never has been control of entry into the country by the states. All the states did was mandate quarantine because the federal government sat on its hands and did nothing in this space. Once passengers were granted entry into the country (by Border Force) and passed through customs, the state health regulations kicked in for quarantine. Under the constitution and federation, quarantine remains a federal responsibility but inaction at the federal level meant the states had to step up. Once an arrival finished their quarantine, they were free to move about their arrival city or transfer to another state if a resident of that state. Depending on the individual state, additional quarantine may have been required if the arrival city was a hotspot at the time (ie Sydney, as Melbourne wasn’t taking international arrivals at that point). Flights were being cancelled due to arrival caps and fluctuations in the caps not because Qld or WA had closed borders to the rest of the country. Victoria asked the federal govt not to receive international arrivals whilst dealing with the 2nd wave and that was agreed to by Morrison. If Morrison had said no then Victoria would have had no choice and international arrivals would have coming into Melbourne.
Perhaps you are confusing the closure of state borders to freedom of movement within the country with international arrival caps. Overseas travelers were never restricted in domestic transfer after their quarantine, provided they went straight to the airport for their transit from the hotel.
 
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