Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 1

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So yesterday after a few bevvies down at the pub with a few mates, we decided to go to the Casino as it was way to hot for going out. Anyway I was determind to play poker (note this would be my first time playing poker at Crown). I was a bit nervous but one of my mates was playing for the frist time aslo at another table. So anyway i go on the 1sb/2bb 60$min table.

I sit down with my 60, table is full. Lots of guys trying to small talk, thinking they are pro's, thinking because I am young (18) they will be able to fool me, I say whatever to them ********ers. Anyway first few hands I fold , wasn't getting anythiong and wanted to see the table first. Then few hand after that still wasn't hitting anything really 7 K off suit and stuff like that, I'd play it to the flop (if no one raised) but nothign evr came.

There is this one guy on our table, who was on a huge roll of 4 big pots in a row, with straights and flushes, he was hitting everything. So anyway I am down to about 40 dollars now. So cards come out i got jack 10 suited. I see the flop J 9 2. Table high pair, guy next to me (who was bluffing all night) raises to 15, I check 15, guy on a roll checks 15. I am thinking yep prime position here. Next card comes out its a 9, so J 9 2 9. Still I have a strong hand, the three players in (inc me) check. The river comes J 9 2 9 9. I have a full house, a pretty decent one at that. The only thing that can beat me is a 4 of a kind(unless some one had pockets of q,k,a). guy nexto me didn't have that ,I could tell. The guy on a roll however betted strongly 50$, i am thinkign to myself he is either bluffing trying to get us to believe he is still on a lucky streak, or he actually has 4 of a kind. I thought stuff it I have a full house, the only way I am getting beaten is with this 4 of a kind or if he has pocket q's, k's, a's.

I turn my cards show my full house. Guy next to me mucks, must of had nothing. Guy on a roll, shows his hand, what does the prick have? ********ing four of a kind. Bastard absolute bastard.

In hindsight maybe I shouldn't have played my hand but then again it was a full house. What do you guys think?
 
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Knowledge said:
So yesterday after a few bevvies down at the pub with a few mates, we decided to go to the Casino as it was way to hot for going out. Anyway I was determind to play poker (note this would be my first time playing poker at Crown). I was a bit nervous but one of my mates was playing for the frist time aslo at another table. So anyway i go on the 1sb/2bb 60$min table.

I sit down with my 60, table is full. Lots of guys trying to small talk, thinking they are pro's, thinking because I am young (18) they will be able to fool me, I say whatever to them ********ers. Anyway first few hands I fold , wasn't getting anythiong and wanted to see the table first. Then few hand after that still wasn't hitting anything really 7 K off suit and stuff like that, I'd play it to the flop (if no one raised) but nothign evr came.

There is this one guy on our table, who was on a huge roll of 4 big pots in a row, with straights and flushes, he was hitting everything. So anyway I am down to about 40 dollars now. So cards come out i got jack 10 suited. I see the flop J 9 2. Table high pair, guy next to me (who was bluffing all night) raises to 15, I check 15, guy on a roll checks 15. I am thinking yep prime position here. Next card comes out its a 9, so J 9 2 9. Still I have a strong hand, the three players in (inc me) check. The river comes J 9 2 9 9. I have a full house, a pretty decent one at that. The only thing that can beat me is a 4 of a kind(unless some one had pockets of q,k,a). guy nexto me didn't have that ,I could tell. The guy on a roll however betted strongly 50$, i am thinkign to myself he is either bluffing trying to get us to believe he is still on a lucky streak, or he actually has 4 of a kind. I thought stuff it I have a full house, the only way I am getting beaten is with this 4 of a kind or if he has pocket q's, k's, a's.

I turn my cards show my full house. Guy next to me mucks, must of had nothing. Guy on a roll, shows his hand, what does the prick have? ********ing four of a kind. Bastard absolute bastard.

In hindsight maybe I shouldn't have played my hand but then again it was a full house. What do you guys think?
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A pair of J's with a 10 kicker isn't a strong hand after the flop but looking at the cards you could probably determine you are in front.

In this situation, you want to knock everybody out of your hand. You've got the best hand but there is plenty of potential for it to get beaten if you let the others see the turn and river.

Only slow play your hand if :
a) You have the best hand and you're pretty sure it cant get beaten.
b) you are very, very good !!!!!

Your mistake was made with the betting after the flop.

As far as calling on the river. No problem there. You have to call with a full house.
 
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Your mistake was not raising the flop. J-10 isn't the strongest of hands, and top pair with weak kicker is not a hand to be slow played. You really should have aimed to take the pot down right there with a raise.

You should only slowplay your hand if you cannot be "outdrawn" post-flop. Safe situations to do this would be flopping the nut flush, the nut-straight with no flush draw, or three of a kind with no flush or straight draws.

You should always avoid calling in situations other than this. If you think you have the best hand but you can't be confident that it can't be beaten, you need to pump it before it's too late. Make them pay to out-draw you.
 

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There is one key mistake in what you did. If you think you have the best hand on the table - raise it no matter what - that way you get rid of the monkeys chasing runner-runner flush/straight etc.

Calling is the worst thing you can do unless you have an absolute monster and want people to catch up a little. J 10 (even if it is suited) doesnt fit into that category.
 
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Yeh you should have gone all in when the guy raised to 15 after the flop. The guy on a roll may well have called you but there would have been nothing you could have done about that then.
 
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Thanks for the tips, going to go back sometime late this week or early next week.
 
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And so it came to pass....... pass? raise!

I was bored with the corporate shindig at the tennis, Maria Chokapova v Nadia Petchoka. It was as though some Russian bigwig had told Nadia she must lose, so ina none too subtle way she'd double fault or hit long on any meaningful point but I digress, the upshot was Poker at the Crown looked infinitely more intresting, so I wandered on down.

Now I've only played 4/8 before, but after reading a few posts in here the $60 no limit looks like the game of choice, more "real" poker than "let's see the flop" limit.

So I get a seat and sit down, probably fold a good 15-20 hands before I start catching some playable cards, catch an AA for a $50 pot, probably bet a flopped Full house a little too hard for a $40 pot, make a great call with A high on a 2 pair board for a $80 pot. Al of a sudden I've accumulated the best part of $200. Now this is where the story should end, an hours and a bit work for $140, done dusted, let's go home, any time you double your start at Crown call it a day is a theory of mine, but I was enjoying myself and having a good time with nowhere to be.

Which leads to the inevitable, player to my left goes all in for $8, I raise to $20 with 3 callers, holding 88. Flop comes 8 9 10, I bet $20 again, 2 folders, loose player on his 4th $60 goes all in for $52. I don't think he'd go all in with the nut straight, I put him on a 10, maybe 2 pair at best, maybe even AK AQ.
I call, he shows K 10, all in shows K 3. There are not many ways I can lose. Turn J River Q would be one. The old runner runner. :(

So i hover around $100 for a while picking up and playing not much before I pick up JQ suited out of the SB, raise $15, folds all the way round to button (tight player) who calls. Flop 55J, I push $20, turn 7 I push $30 river K I push $30 he calls AK, nice river. I hadn't played a hand in 30 mins, but nice river. Unfortunately I probably caught him on a slight tilt cursing himself for not calling an all in with JJ a couple of hands earlier, J had hit on the flop, strong player who did call the guy who had runner runnered me previously had also called , catching a set of 3's. All in knob had A9os. JJ could have won $200 ish.

So basically time to re-stack, make a mistake pushing calling station who has a 68 on 8 9 10 8 10, board, 3 spades, with AJ.

Restack, pick up 10 8 spades and call for $2, flop comes 9 J K, all spades, I check, new player on button after 6-7 checkers bets $10, sniff steal, 2 callers, I go all in for $60ish, button says I know I'm behind but I'll call (J9), other 2 players fold, turn 9. The old 4 outer. :(

Restack, next hand JJ 3 $10 bets in, all in A4 calls A9 calls KK calls, A hits.

Should have stayed watching Sharapovas legs.

Maybe 3 mistakes in 3-4 hours and 3 (well 2 at least) horrible beats worth a combined $500 ish :(
 
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Sounds like you caught a wave of bad luck there Falchoon.

Although, I must say I'm not a big fan of raising from the small blind, pre flop with a marginal hand. Especially since a tight player has already called.

Each to their own, I suppose.
 

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dougthelegend said:
I'd gladly take you on and prove that it is skill - not gambling/luck. As would most people that partake in discussions on this forum.
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There is a fair amount of luck involved when 2 players of similar skill compete.
But have a best of 9 series and the more skilled player will win every time.
 
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I went again wednesday night after a party.

60 dollar 1/2 of course.

Felt alot more comfortable this time. Really wasn't hitting any cards, i really am catching cold cards at the moment. Just getting rubbish folded 10-15 times before i even saw the flop. Best hand i got was pocket 10's and i got bullied out of playing them with an A Q on the flop, wasn't worth the risk.

Anyway had about 10 bucks left and got jack eight. guy next to me raises 8 before the flop , I thought ******** it go all in.
Went all in with my ten bucks, out comes the flop Jack 4 6.
hit the table high pair, I have the side pot of about 55.
Then comes Jack 4 6 Q 8.

two pair, safe to say I won the pot.
Played a few more hands and was still not hitting anything. So i walked up and left with 50 bucks.
sure i ended 10 bucks down but it lasted me 2.30 hours and i only won one hand.
 
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Knowledge said:
Played a few more hands and was still not hitting anything. So i walked up and left with 50 bucks.
sure i ended 10 bucks down but it lasted me 2.30 hours and i only won one hand.
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Thats the best way to think of it. I played for 4 hours 2 weeks ago and came out even for my first live game. Was happy just to be there and have a good time.
 
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I played tonight, lost a couple of monsters, QQ to KK for $200 pot, I pushed he called no overcards showing, another one, QQ v flush draw, he caught on the river, another $200 pot.

But also won a couple of good ones called $10 raise with Q 10, comes down Q something 10, he goes for 25, I call, 10 on the turn, another 25, river he bets 50, full boat, he had KK. Another one got an all in 70 ish when I hit a set of 5's on the flop.

All up approx 5 hrs worth for plus $160ish.

Then parlayed $50 into $300 with 30 mins work at Rapid Sic Bo :cool:

Good night all round.
 
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Falchoon said:
I played tonight, lost a couple of monsters, QQ to KK for $200 pot, I pushed he called no overcards showing, another one, QQ v flush draw, he caught on the river, another $200 pot.

But also won a couple of good ones called $10 raise with Q 10, comes down Q something 10, he goes for 25, I call, 10 on the turn, another 25, river he bets 50, full boat, he had KK. Another one got an all in 70 ish when I hit a set of 5's on the flop.

All up approx 5 hrs worth for plus $160ish.

Then parlayed $50 into $300 with 30 mins work at Rapid Sic Bo :cool:

Good night all round.
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Good work on the poker. But what is Rapid Sic Bo? I saw it at Crown and had no idea what it was.
 
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Borgsta said:
Good work on the poker. But what is Rapid Sic Bo? I saw it at Crown and had no idea what it was.
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3 dice, pick what numbers land.

you can bet on triples, doubles, combinations, total of the dice, hi/lo, individual numbers etc.

I've played it twice for a combined $500 gain basically looking for repeats, for example 145 was followed by 366, if 145 comes up again I'm backing a 6, which means I'll bet the 6 outright, probably the high and 14,15,16 total.

Probably no real science in it but it's worked twice so far.
 
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I put a horrible beat on somebody at the crown in my first ever live game. it was their weekly series tournament, and the first hand i look down at under the gun is pocket jacks.

So, i raised it up twice the big blind. Got two callers.

Flop came down Q J 5.

I bet out. one person raises, another calls.

Looking down at trip jacks, im feeling pretty confident that im in front, so i raise all in for my last five hundred (pot is almost three thousand at this stage).

Other two call - one flips over pocket queens, the other pocket fives - so we all have trips....lol. No help on the turn - only one card in the deck saves me - im up out of my seat fully expecting to lose.

River card......the last Jack! could not believe it. Tripled up first hand and went on to finish second overall - in my first ever live game....lol.
 
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