Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 3

[The Cotch]

*** This thread is a continuation of Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2 (18/06/2008 - 04/01/2009) ***

[URL="http://www.crownpoker.com.au/"][B]Melbourne - Crown Casino[/B][/URL] (updated Apr 3, 2010)
Tables: 60 (50 + 10 PokerPro) (Open: 24 hours)

[U][B]GAME          BUY-IN   PF  HF  RAKE    COMMENTS[/B] [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][/U]

0.5/ 1 NLH    20-  50   0   0  10%/ 4  PokerPro
[U]  1/ 2 NLH    50- 100   0   0  10%/ 4  PokerPro [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][/U]
  1/ 2 NLH    40-  80   0   0  10%/15  Mo-Th only
  2/ 3 NLH    50- 200   0   5  10%/ 8
  2/ 5 NLH   200- 500   0  10  10%/ 6
[U]  5/10 NLH   500-2000   0  25   0%/ 0           [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][/U]
  5/10  LH    50-       0   0  10%/10
 10/20  LH   100-       0   0  10%/10

[B][U]KEY:[/U][/B]
[COLOR="Red"]PF   = participation fee; a per hand charge that goes to the house
HF   = hourly fee; a per hour charge that goes to the house
RAKE = pot charge; a charge deducted from a winning pot
       that goes to the house (eg: 10%/ 8 means 10% of the pot to a max $8)[/COLOR]

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Is $100 enough to buy in with on the 2/3's?

 

[twarby]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

just got back to adelaide from a week in melbourne with some mates..
headed down to crown 5 times in total, and played from 3-8hrs at a time.
usually a real tight player, and kept this style for the whole week playing 2/3.
ended up just under 2000 up for the week so real happy with that..sat for almost 4 hrs one night for one pot win, but kept my patience so happy with that.
enjoyed the more laidback atmosphere of the casino compared to here.. and am thinking about coming back for a week of solely poker...as this trip was mainly for social purposes.

 

[ShearMagic9]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

Is $100 enough to buy in with on the 2/3's?

Well, it depends what you mean by 'enough'.

You're allowed to buy-in with it, yes, but you'd be short-stacking.

 

[The Cotch]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

Well, it depends what you mean by 'enough'.

You're allowed to buy-in with it, yes, but you'd be short-stacking.

Yeah that's what I mean...hmm, maybe not yet.

 

[twarby]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

Yeah that's what I mean...hmm, maybe not yet.

i only bought in for 150 my first night there, and was soon blinded down to under 100 so i immedietly re bought to 200... id stick to buying in for 150 to 200, i saw far too many players buy in for 50-100, and quickly lose it only to buy in again for the same amount once or twice more..

 

[paxmaniac]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

Yeah that's what I mean...hmm, maybe not yet.

I wouldn't recommend shortstacking unless you have thought carefully about shortstack strategy. Too many players play short stacks as though they are big ones, expecting to play turns and rivers.

You need to play aggressively, and shove most of your draws on the flop. You also need to bear in mind that shortstacking properly probably has a higher variance than deepstack play, so it's not a solution for people who can't really afford to play a big stack.

 

[Drummer_19]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

It;s capped at 200 and that isn't even enough. Really needs to be capped at 300.

 

[ShearMagic9]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

It;s capped at 200 and that isn't even enough. Really needs to be capped at 300.

Jupiters has the caps pretty good to allow people to play poker really. A lot better than when you go to SkyCity (for an example), and find out that people can buy-in with as low as $40 for $1/$2, and $60 for $2/$3.

$100/$200 for $1/$2, $200/$500 for $2.50/$5, and $500/$2000 for $5/$10

 

[TorresIsGod]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

Jupiters has the caps pretty good to allow people to play poker really. A lot better than when you go to SkyCity (for an example), and find out that people can buy-in with as low as $40 for $1/$2, and $60 for $2/$3.

$100/$200 for $1/$2, $200/$500 for $2.50/$5, and $500/$2000 for $5/$10

It's the same at Crown (at least the last time I was there).

$40 min buy-in on the $1/$2 tables.
$60 min buy-in on the $2/$3 tables.

But I agree with you, the min/max for Jupiters is good

 

[RoJo Junior]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

Is $100 enough to buy in with on the 2/3's?

I buy in with that when I play, between 100-150. Which is why I couldn't understand why you were put off playing at those tables. If you're good enough it shouldn't be a worry. Its capped at 200 at Burswood and rarely few takers with $200 Buy-Ins, I dont know what its like at Crown but im guessing its the same. So 100 isn't too much of a problem with short stacking at those tables.

 

[Borgsta]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

Ahh that explains some of your betting Rolo. It really isn't a good idea to start so far behind.

 

[ashley12]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

IMO the only people who have a "reason" should be starting with less then the minimum BI are

- Those who are on scared money
- Those who want to play a shortstack game
- Those who for one reason or another, think turn and river play is over-rated
- Those who think they are dogs in this game and are looking to hit and run something like a 100 into a 300 or such...

#1 should be playing at all, because a poker room is no place for someone who isnt poker bankrolled, let alone life bankrolled. I have seem some horrific acts of degeneracy within both Burswood casinod and at some APL and WAPL events that are beyond the imagination, people scraping up money from gloveboxes of their cars to muster up cash table BI's, looking in pokie machines for coins to make up $50 to BI, and borrowing some large amounts of cash. Put it this way, if you get your money in at say 56/44 i.e your QQ vs AKo, and the thought of losing $300/$50 or whatever is more scary then the thought of getting your money in good in a game of skill and luck, then you shouldnt play the game

#2 is stupid. The biggest edges in the game come from postflop play, espcially live where IMO against 90% of the field my big edge comes from turn and river play in position in PFR pots, extracting value and minimising losses... With a 10% capped at x rake, bigger, less % rake pots are also where the bread is buttered...

#3 is similar to point 2, and if you cant outplay the Burswood donks after 4th street then maybe Roulette is your game...

#4 If you are a dog, you really shouldnt be in a game unless your playing purely for experience/kicks...

 

[paxmaniac]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

#2 is stupid. The biggest edges in the game come from postflop play, espcially live where IMO against 90% of the field my big edge comes from turn and river play in position in PFR pots, extracting value and minimising losses... With a 10% capped at x rake, bigger, less % rake pots are also where the bread is buttered...

The rake makes shortstacking almost unplayable at Burswood, but I don't agree that shortstacking is necessarily stupid otherwise (e.g online). A single shortstack at a table of big stacks actually has a very significant edge almost automatically - because the big stacks *cannot* play multiway pots optimally against the short stack. Shortstacking strategy is also much easier to learn, and requires a much less subtle hand-reading ability.

There's a good reason why big stack players (including, usually, myself) don't like playing against short stacks.

 

[mdc]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

There's a good reason why big stack players (including, usually, myself) don't like playing against short stacks.

The reason is that most shortstacks are ratholing SOBs.

If they stuck around after winning a coinflip, I'd be happy to play them all day long.

 

[paxmaniac]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

The reason is that most shortstacks are ratholing SOBs.

If they stuck around after winning a coinflip, I'd be happy to play them all day long.

If you're playing $20 on ten tables, I guess having one table at $40 kind of messes up your limp/3bet/shove strategy

 

[ashley12]

Re: Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

The rake makes shortstacking almost unplayable at Burswood, but I don't agree that shortstacking is necessarily stupid otherwise (e.g online). A single shortstack at a table of big stacks actually has a very significant edge almost automatically - because the big stacks *cannot* play multiway pots optimally against the short stack. Shortstacking strategy is also much easier to learn, and requires a much less subtle hand-reading ability.

There's a good reason why big stack players (including, usually, myself) don't like playing against short stacks.

Thats what I was referring too, playing in a live environment...

Also, the massive post flop skill advantage is usually live, compared to online against most competant NL players...

 

[red+black]

First time I've played in like forever. Slow start, down about 80, win my first hand when I raise pre with 62, just one caller. Check the flop, he check-calls the turn, river completes KQJTx board, he checks, I value bet, he folds, I show.

Few hands after, I raise from SB with TT, two callers, flop T96, I bet, guy calls, next guy raises, I shove, he calls. Turn 6, river K as he proudly shows his straight.

I get AT, call a raise, three of us get it all in on a T high flop. River an Ace, but was good all the way. Then lose a $500 pot. EP gay raises with QQ to just 10, MP calls, I call with J:diamond:9:diamond: OTB. Flop J92, two spades. EP bets 25, MP calls, I make it 80. EP asks if I flopped a set, he folds, MP calls. Turn 3, he checks, I put him all-in, he calls. K:spade: on the river, he shows 5:spade:3:spade:. ****ing brilliant.

Get it back soon after, raise to 13 from the button with T:spade:5:spade:, one caller. Miss the flop by a mile, I c-bet and tid (don't show). Next hand raise to 13 again with A:diamond:K:diamond:. Flop J-high with 2 diamonds, checks to me, I bet, two callers. Nuts on the turn, checks to me, I bet, they call. ****ing 4th diamond on the river , I grab some chips and put it out there without counting, one guy tanks forever, calls.

OK, hand of the night, douchiest thing I have ever seen. I'm on the left of an amply-breasted decent-looking chick, btw her breasts have nothing to do with the story. She raises to 10 UTG, SB calls, BB 3-bets. She shoves for not much more, SB calls, BB can't iso-raise so flats. Flop KJx, check, bet, call. Blank turn, same check, bet, call. I ask the girl to show me what she has. She has K:spade:8:spade:. I say nothing but indicate that she has no chance. River K. SB now open bets, BB raises, SB shoves, BB calls. SB has KT, BB has JJ. SB taps the table and walks off. Girl gets up to leave, takes a step or two, but the dealer says "Where are you going? You won!" She's like "Oh did I?" as she returns to the table. Dealer continues "Naah, just joking!" as he pushes the pot to the BB WTF? I gave him a piece of my mind.

 

[ashley12]

Pic of breasts?

 

[Borgsta]

Should have called the pit boss.

 

[mdc]

I'm with Borgsta. Definitely should have reported the ****er.

 

[Drummer_19]

I would of laughed in my mind but yeah pretty unprofessional thing to do and if it was me the dealer did it to I would of been verrrrrrrrrrry moody.

 

[red+black]

Should have called the pit boss.

Yeah I'm not sure why I didn't. Luckily for him, a couple of guys and myself were more offended than the girl, because if she had have responded in any way, then I probably would have taken it further. Such a prick thing to do. I said to the dealer, sure we'd been having a few laughs, and I guess he wanted to get in a joke of his own, but that was definitely not something to joke about.

Seeing as I mentioned her breasts before, I might as well mention them again. This was earlier. Folds to her in the CO, she raises to 20, I look down at ATo OTB, I briefly look left, then back at the girl's stack, yes her stack. I 3-bet to 40, SB folds, BB thinks, says later he would have called 20, he folds (and he would have turned the 2nd nuts). Hadn't realised good Asian in MP had limped, but he also folds. She shoves for 45, I call the 5. I said that I raised to protect her. She says "Oh, you were looking at my chips?" LOL. I did not think of a witty retort. She has AK. Board: KJxT, and I'm calling for a Queen. River: Queen.

 

[red+black]

Had an awesome evening at the cricket then at Crown. Will write up some time over the weekend.

 

[Drummer_19]

Had an awesome evening at the cricket then at Crown. Will write up some time over the weekend.

I did the opposite, Went and played the 1k, busted then went to the cricket. HODGEYYYYYY!!!!

 

[red+black]

Friday: cricket was fantastic, an amazing 43,125 people for domestic cricket LOL! Get to Crown late, play a couple hours of 2/3 over near the high limit area, up 200, decide to change tables. Go get some food, rail my mate, talk with some friends, eventually get back to the grind. I'm down, I'm up, I'm having a good time, I'm donking off chips doubling people up, playing my draws hard and fast and none of them coming, but I don't care. I have profit in my pocket, I'm looking to play a bit.

So we get down to 4-handed and the CO raises to 10. Girl calls on the button, I call from the SB with 4:diamond:5:diamond:. Flop 4:spade:5:club:7:diamond:. I check, CO bets 10, girl calls, I raise to 30, they both call. Turn 10:diamond:, I shove for 110. Guy tank-folds, girl insta-calls with the flopped nuts! Damn. River K:diamond:, and the tide had turned

That guy in the CO, older dude, a bit spaced out, was getting on my nerves a little. He was a calling station and he'd picked off a couple of my bluffs. My mate had finished playing 10/20 Omaha, down 750, bad night for him. He was standing behind me and I was going to say that I would play until time was taken. I check the clock and it's 3:35am and they hadn't taken time, so I guessed before too long a supervisor would come round.

I'm UTG and limp in, six players see a flop. Flop Q:club:T:spade:9:club:. Checks to my old dude from before, he bets 10, one caller, I raise to 30, they both call. Turn 10:club:, Checks to old dude again, he confidently bets 50. I have 6 greens and throw them out. He calls. I already knew what I was going to do before the river came out which was A:diamond:. I shove and have his 200+ covered, he insta calls and tables A10:diamond: (wow, sick) for 10s full. I table some pretty ladies and take it down

They call time, I leave, up 791 after 4 hours on the felt. I donked off about 500 earlier just getting involved in too many hands, but all's well that end's well.