0% say pardon.
Still gonna be a few years in Siberia. Time to break out the Aleksandr Solzynetsyn
Edward Snowden: Another hero
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0% say pardon.
Still gonna be a few years in Siberia. Time to break out the Aleksandr Solzynetsyn
Ahh, The anti US drums beat on cue,
Snowden is a a git with a jacked up ego.
He's actions have a strong possibility of causing the death of
many innocent people..... He is no better than the governments
he is demonizing.
Wow western governments spy and do underhand dirty shite....really?
Snowden is a a git with a jacked up ego.
He's actions have a strong possibility of causing the death of
many innocent people..... He is no better than the governments
he is demonizing.
Wow western governments spy and do underhand dirty shite....really?
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- #128
What evidence do you have to support this?
As has been repeated many times, the surveillance state is a threat to and abuses the rights of American citizens and their allies, not just foreign nations, or organizations with which they have complex or hostile relationships.
D&M surveillance is superfluous in your above sentence.
As for for the Guardian arguing against powerful government, epic lulz. Where were they to defend newspapers printing articles based on whistle blowers in UK public service?
As for for the Guardian arguing against powerful government, epic lulz. Where were they to defend newspapers printing articles based on whistle blowers in UK public service?
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- #130
In what way is surveillance superfluous?
Given how prone agencies and contractors are to abuse their access to information, so targeting rights organisations or community groups for harassment, stealing IP and engaging in commercial espionage, using blackmail or stolen intelligence as leverage in trade negotiations and undermining the security of networks and sabotaging global encryption standards, is anything but superfluous.
They are acting more a like giant gang of Chinese hackers, or Russian scammers than an allied intelligence agency, created to aid public security.
Or is this a quip about the state abusing the rights of it's citizenry. Yes the state can't give negative rights, but I shudder to consider the alternative, especially because a large amount of state based malfeasance is conducted to benefit a powerful minority of corporate interest.
"the surveillance state is a threat to"
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- #132
See my edited post.
I agree, they can't give negative rights, but the alternative is unquestionably worse.
Semi disagree. There have been a large number of cases of whistle blower suppression in the UK (police, NHS, security services) in the recent past.
There were no large corporate interests at stake (ex unions - see Plebgate)
Who protects us from the state?
There were no large corporate interests at stake (ex unions - see Plebgate)
Who protects us from the state?
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- #134
This is a reasonable point, however most recent scandals re the security services or MET surveillance, have almost always involved private industry.
For instance that undercover MET officer who blew the whistle on wasteful, ridiculous and dubious surveillance and infiltration of various rights and political orgs., largely at the behest of energy industry players wanting to take a swipe at environmental or anti free trade groups.
The situation is in Aus and the US parallels past UK experience. Take the DSTO and accusations of wholesale IP theft, or police being briefed by a pipeline task force in OK and other states, about how to use anti terror laws to harass protestors.
I am not opposed to the ideals of libertarianism, propertarians, or various forms of anarchic thought, though I may disagree with some particulars, the problem is who will fill the power vacuum? Unchecked corporate power has almost uniformly been disastrous.
See Plebgate - union tried to stitch up mp. No action against nearly all officers. See recent case of pc who claimed cops were making up crime stats. Only got away with it due to parliamentary privilege. See BBC and payouts / cover up. See mid staffs disaster. How many charged / in jail? See Iraq dossier & Dr Kelly. See Jimmy Saville scandal.
The media is a better defence that government. That's why I believe its imperative the press and internet remain free. If that means Bolt and Fairfax write rubbish, then its a small price to pay.
Where would Snowden have got if he didn't go to the press? Internal NSA hotline?
Re your last thought. People will. Who shut the News of the World? The consumer did. People will soon turn away from corporations if they dislike their behaviour.
The media is a better defence that government. That's why I believe its imperative the press and internet remain free. If that means Bolt and Fairfax write rubbish, then its a small price to pay.
Where would Snowden have got if he didn't go to the press? Internal NSA hotline?
Re your last thought. People will. Who shut the News of the World? The consumer did. People will soon turn away from corporations if they dislike their behaviour.
Little Big John
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- #137
Not if their are no alternatives.
come on meds, Murdoch did not shut News of the World.
This is how it went down.
Rupert and James always saw the remaining jewel in the NewsUnlimited crown, as 100% ownership of BSB. That is where he made the most money in the last decades with Fox, Simpsons (sarcasm(, Avatar, and the EPL and commercializing footbol for those who just used to go for a pint and a gang fight in the bleechers.
So, like Abraham offering up his oldest male child to god on the stone altar, Murdoch gives NoW to Millie Dowler.
They were always gonna reject this application for their BSB bid, that was a no brainer. HE did all his strategy with an eye to the long game in 5 years. If anyone could see this you could. It has barely made a blip when discussing James and UK. The redhead Rewikkan Brooks is just a feint atm. Like a Stan Alves blind turn.
This is how it went down.
Rupert and James always saw the remaining jewel in the NewsUnlimited crown, as 100% ownership of BSB. That is where he made the most money in the last decades with Fox, Simpsons (sarcasm(, Avatar, and the EPL and commercializing footbol for those who just used to go for a pint and a gang fight in the bleechers.
So, like Abraham offering up his oldest male child to god on the stone altar, Murdoch gives NoW to Millie Dowler.
They were always gonna reject this application for their BSB bid, that was a no brainer. HE did all his strategy with an eye to the long game in 5 years. If anyone could see this you could. It has barely made a blip when discussing James and UK. The redhead Rewikkan Brooks is just a feint atm. Like a Stan Alves blind turn.
Jake's my homie
that like a half-mongrel? they got meds now for that meds
oh, think the spying and foreign intelligence is fair game.
what is a concern in the domestic and the surveillance state and this thin end of wedge mission creep. where a police state starts? I am not saying it is that now, but it seems that this is a bureaucracy seeking to expand its own sphere, and on one is really providing an oversight and handcuff.
foreign intelligence, = a'ok. get Merkel's nokia details and record it all. Commercial intelligence fine too. Think any technology manufacuring in China is not ripped off? Greatest leak in commerce of IP.
domestic inteligence, that has no end purpose.
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- #143
I don't agree, not when it's your IP being stolen. Guarding against industrial espionage from competitors would be hard enough, but to have to worry about allied governments or even your own?
We don't need the intelligence services becoming a great big funnel, for powerful allied corporate interest. Skewing trade and regulatory discussions, engaging in market manipulation and vacuuming up IP from researchers, start ups or competitors.
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- #144
Seems Australia/US were spying on a US legal firm representing Indonesia in an international trade dispute:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/us/eavesdropping-ensnared-american-law-firm.html?_r=0
Rights, what rights? The rule of law, what rule of law? Tangential concepts in the face of commercial gain.
The scary thing is, both Australia and the US outsource a lot of their intelligence work to private contractors. Who knows what they are doing both with this power and their intelligence gathering capabilities.........
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/us/eavesdropping-ensnared-american-law-firm.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/us/eavesdropping-ensnared-american-law-firm.html?_r=0
Rights, what rights? The rule of law, what rule of law? Tangential concepts in the face of commercial gain.
The scary thing is, both Australia and the US outsource a lot of their intelligence work to private contractors. Who knows what they are doing both with this power and their intelligence gathering capabilities.........
'Strayan intel operatives also raided and seized/stole documents that may have painted them in a bad light for previous Aussie spying on oil and gas negotiations with East Timor.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-21/australia-responds-to-east-timor-case-at-the-hague/5211912
Australia's my country and I love it, but no matter which party was in power at the time if Australia has done wrong I hope we get burned for it.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-21/australia-responds-to-east-timor-case-at-the-hague/5211912
Australia's my country and I love it, but no matter which party was in power at the time if Australia has done wrong I hope we get burned for it.
irony, Baker & McKenzie wazzit
Solly Lew National Crime Commish docs
What was Lewie up to? Googled Solly and leaks to no avail...
the NCC investigating Yannon affair, and the brief's papers went missing from NCC security archives
Heh. Cheers for that. Google only turns up info on Lew and nothing about stolen documents. Dirty bastard. Of course nobody would ever be able to prove who took what, would they?
