Free Agency Stay or Go?

Should Free Agency stay or go?


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Ok, so we have had a few seasons of free agency and have seen enough really to gauge an opinion on whether or not it is a success.

Just basing this on the goal of creating an even competition which cycles and allows teams equal opportunity to rise to the top and preferably not spend too long on the bottom as well as creating an interesting competition with multiple contenders for the grand final.

Pros
Middle of the road clubs could possibly gain the services of a good mature player to lift them up the ranks. This hasn't been entirely the case as of yet. Betts has been good for Adelaide and Goodard has been good for Essendon but there aren't too many examples of this so far. Hard to see any club which has gone from a 5th-10th place side and risen to be around the top 4 due to free agency.

Allows players to gain a huge retirement bonus. Good for the players, not so good for the clubs.

Allows players to play where ever they want in their final years.

Allows players to chase premierships.

Cons
The strong get stronger and stay stronger for longer. We have seen an already strong Sydney side and Hawthorn side who have both recently won premierships or played in grand finals go out and get whoever they want/need to be stronger with ease. Hawthorn needed a big defender so they went out and bought Lake. Franklin is one of the best players in the league and wanted to get out of Melbourne so Sydney just bought him. The down time or rebuild time that many of these top sides go through between flags is shrinking or disappearing. When they have a hole or two they simply go out and get a good free agent to fill it. I think we can expect to see the same few teams up the top of the ladder for quite some time.

The weak get weaker. Struggling teams like St Kilda, Melbourne and the Bulldogs are a smorgasbord from top tier clubs. Free agents in struggling sides are simply going for greener pastures. Lake , Goddard and eventually Frawley. Usually struggling rebuilding teams are crying out for mature players to lead the younger ones but they leaving. There is no doubt that had these clubs retained the players they have lost or will lose they would be more competitive and would have a better development environment.

Equalisation. Free agency goes in the opposite direction to what AFL have always gone. We have had a system in place where the lesser sides get the better draft picks and while it doesn't always work due to bad drafting from these teams, history suggests that is does as most teams (possibly all) have finished top 4 and made preliminary finals over the last 20 or so years. Free agency robs from the poor to give to the rich.


Players/managers can hold the club over a barrel and end up on huge salaries. Sometimes having players on massive salaries, particularly for rebuilding clubs can cause problems with the salary cap and make it harder to keep other players and worse, it makes it harder to attract new talent in as the squeeze on their cap space will be too much. For these lesser clubs you either lose a good player or you keep one who is being grossly over paid and taking up much of the salary cap. Then there are the desperate clubs who snare themselves a free agent and again they are facing cap problems in the future by having an over paid player on the list in some cases.

It doesn't help lesser sides at all. Some players have gone to middle of the road teams and been ok but there isn't any evidence that it helps sides on the bottom or that it really gives middle of the ladder teams much of an improvement as generally these teams have more than one or two holes to fill.

Conclusion
It's got to go. It's great for the players and their managers but it's terrible for the competition and is disruptive to the natural cycle of the teams in the AFL. No one wants to see the same two or three teams battling it out for the next 5+ years or want to see one or two teams who are so far ahead of the rest that the whole season is about waiting for them to play off or win the grand final. No one wants to see the same teams in the grand final or winning it all the time. The league needs to be working hard at equalisation and giving lower teams better opportunity to build and improve but it also needs to make sure they aren't making things too easy for the top sides.

On one hand we are giving the worst team in the competition the number one draft pick and on the other hand, the best two, three or four teams are getting access to buy some of the best senior players in the competition. For a competition who are supposed to have equalisation as a priority, this is very strange.

Teams like Hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney have been doing a good enough job of sustaining an elite quality list without free agency. Generally they play off in a grand final, then perhaps have 1-4 years where they rebuild and have another go at it. That's great and good on them for being top talent scouts but now you have eliminated/shortened this rebuild period with free agency for some of these teams and they are just going to be up there the whole time. It's creating an uninteresting three tier competition. Elite teams, middle teams and bottom teams, it just seems the gap is widening and it's getting harder to become a premiership contender.

Maybe it hasn't been in place long enough to see if it is really going to work but this certainly looks the way things are going.

What are people's thoughts?
 

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It's not going anywhere, so not really much point discussing it.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-29/axe-free-agency-scott

Chris Scott said:
The AFL is working really hard with the clubs and the stakeholders to equalise the competition and give everyone a fair a chance, and I think free agency flies squarely in the face of that

You might be right, but when the coaches are saying it should be abolished, I'm not convinced that it is a fully dead and buried decision there will be no changes to it (free agency).

He also took a swipe at Gary (I'm a deflecting idiot) Lyon, which is always good to see...
 
Free agency was never about contributing to the goal of an even competition. It is player driven and enables players to maximize their leverage to pursue their individual goals, whether that be contract length, pay or simply mobility. It was always doubtful it would be to the benefit of the competition as a whole, but it is here and almost certainly here to stay.
 
It's detrimental to the objective of on-field equalisation, as evidenced by the movements we've seen occur under it so far: the salary cap goes some way to mitigating that, but the problem remains... even in a form as limited as it currently is, it will significantly undermine the AFL's equalisation objective, and for that reason alone I'd prefer it to go. Can't see it leaving, though, given how hard the players pushed for it: however, the least we can hope is that it isn't further expanded.
 
Free agency was never about contributing to the goal of an even competition. It is player driven and enables players to maximize their leverage to pursue their individual goals, whether that be contract length, pay or simply mobility. It was always doubtful it would be to the benefit of the competition as a whole, but it is here and almost certainly here to stay.

When have players wanting to change clubs ever not got to the club of their choice???

Scrap it.
 
You might be right, but when the coaches are saying it should be abolished, I'm not convinced that it is a fully dead and buried decision there will be no changes to it (free agency).

He also took a swipe at Gary (I'm a deflecting idiot) Lyon, which is always good to see...

One Scott is saying that, not "coaches".

But it was introduced for the players and not the competition anyway.
 
I reckon it should be gone, if a player decides he doesn't want to play at your club anymore he can still leave when his contract is up. Worked fine as it was.
Was never required.
 
Great for players, they get a big pay rise and usually a longer contract. To get one, you normally have to pay overs (when talking the top end talent).

It was designed as a way to help out the guys struggling to get a game an easier avenue to leave, now it's become a cash cow for the top end players.

not a huge fan, but maybe it's cause we've lost a few players through it and gained stuff all in the way of compensation.
 

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-29/axe-free-agency-scott



You might be right, but when the coaches are saying it should be abolished, I'm not convinced that it is a fully dead and buried decision there will be no changes to it (free agency).

He also took a swipe at Gary (I'm a deflecting idiot) Lyon, which is always good to see...

Let us know when a large number of players are saying it should be abolished. Until then, it isn't going anywhere.
 
it seems to be the older players that chase premierships. the younger players are happy to stick it out in a lower team. just see boak a few years ago. I don't think it advantages good teams or bad teams. daisy, crameri, ablett all downgraded for money. But this is a very small sample size to start drawing conclusions from though..to make it really fair though AFL needs to remove minimum salary cap so that bad teams aren't being forced to over pay for players, and actually have cap space to approach attractive free agents...

for people who know about NFL, last years 2 superbowl teams will have contrasting fortunes with free agency. Denver broncos are signing many great players on the cheap because they want to be part of a championship, while the seattle seahawks team is totally stacked and they're accepting the fact that they will lose multiple star players because they won't be able to pay everyone what they're worth. but it's worth noting that NFL contracts range between 500k and 20m a year so maybe when things change when we're talking that kind of money....so it's not totally comparable to AFL.
 
It needs to be modified
Free agents MUST notify their clubs on their intent within ex amount of time, even before the end of the season
The clubs should be able to look at a trade with the destined club, and if they cannot, he club should receive a compo pick at the end of the 2nd round, in ladder order
No BS mathematical formulas or anything
Therefore, if a club lost 3 players under free agency, the compo is worth no more or less than another

Also, after the free agency period (currently 9 yrs) all players should be free agents (like in the nba), giving a player only one chance at free agency is pointless

Alternatively, if that doesn't suffice, keep the same format, but make a players wage public
 
Hawthorn lost Franklin. How have we been favoured by it?

I'm against it, not because of that, but because players have too much say these days and clubs have very little.
Also agree with that. Couple with the amount of byes and stuff they're getting, the players are getting far too much influence.
 
I'm a big fan of free agency (and many things that the Americans do with sport) and think it needs to stay and at the very least be given more time.

I think many of your cons are opinion and not necessarily cons depending on your point of view. I don't have a problem with the top teams constantly being on top if they've been shrewd during the off-season/free-agency period. There's always going to be a trade-off in these sorts of situations and if a team is going to go all-out chasing free agents and big contracts eventually it will catch up to them (in theory). It's why compensation picks need to stay also. The perfect free-agency system (which we don't have yet) should always be based on trade-offs of some description - if you want to go hard then it may catch up to you in a year or two, if players in their prime/about to hit their prime (RFA's) decide to leave your club you should be duly compensated and reap those rewards in a year or two.

Will Sydney eventually be screwed over based on Buddy's contract? Has a middle-of-the-road Carlton side benefited from offering Thomas a very decent free-agency wage?

It may suck if a bottom team is consistently being cleaned out at free agency but I don't think that that's happened yet.

In saying this though I'd also be happy to let teams trade players without their permission also to even the ledger and stop the risk of bottom teams from being completely gutted.
 
It needs to be modified
Free agents MUST notify their clubs on their intent within ex amount of time, even before the end of the season
The clubs should be able to look at a trade with the destined club, and if they cannot, he club should receive a compo pick at the end of the 2nd round, in ladder order
No BS mathematical formulas or anything
Therefore, if a club lost 3 players under free agency, the compo is worth no more or less than another

Also, after the free agency period (currently 9 yrs) all players should be free agents (like in the nba), giving a player only one chance at free agency is pointless

Alternatively, if that doesn't suffice, keep the same format, but make a players wage public

Why would a club trade for a player they know they will get in free agency?
 
A few things...

How can you retain it and keep it even?

The compensation pick is meant to keep it even but it's not effective. Perhaps there should be compensation only for bottom sides who lose free agents and a lesser compensation for middle of the ladder sides. I don't particularly like any of this however.

Perhaps you omit top 4 sides from receiving free agents. This might not be seen as overly fair but would go towards making a more even competition. It would perhaps allow for more new sides to enter the top 4 and stop teams "buying flags".

Since when did the players become bigger than the game, league and the clubs!

Potential free agents are already paid handsomely. Do they need more? This falls into the hands of managers even more so and allows them to further bend over clubs. It's the players privilege to play in the AFL and for their club. Why does the league feel it owes the players all of a sudden? If anything it is the other way around. Why give the players all the power?

If anything the league should be discouraging enormous salaries. It's not good for the long term future of the clubs to have players on enormous salaries generally speaking.

Players usually got to go where they wanted to via the trade period, plenty still do. What was wrong with that? You didn't need compensation picks when this was the case because it was a trade.
 
One Scott is saying that, not "coaches".

But it was introduced for the players and not the competition anyway.

Sorry, badly worded in my earlier post. Should have read when the coaches start to say, not the coaches say...
 
it seems to be the older players that chase premierships. the younger players are happy to stick it out in a lower team. just see boak a few years ago. I don't think it advantages good teams or bad teams. daisy, crameri, ablett all downgraded for money. But this is a very small sample size to start drawing conclusions from though..to make it really fair though AFL needs to remove minimum salary cap so that bad teams aren't being forced to over pay for players, and actually have cap space to approach attractive free agents...

for people who know about NFL, last years 2 superbowl teams will have contrasting fortunes with free agency. Denver broncos are signing many great players on the cheap because they want to be part of a championship, while the seattle seahawks team is totally stacked and they're accepting the fact that they will lose multiple star players because they won't be able to pay everyone what they're worth. but it's worth noting that NFL contracts range between 500k and 20m a year so maybe when things change when we're talking that kind of money....so it's not totally comparable to AFL.

Crameri was traded, not FA....
 
Free agency is never an equlisation to tool no matter the sporting code. The nba has had free agency for a long, long time. Never once as it been used as an equalisation tool. Nba players have always gone to the franchise's that offer the most money, greatest championship credentials or the best location.

Free agency is about allowing more freedom to players at certain points in their careers. The players initially have no choice in where they play when they enter the draft. They earn the right to choose where they play after a certain length of service.

The sooner people realise that free agency as whole( afl, nba, nfl etc) does not benefit the smaller /less successful clubs the better
 
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