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And its reasonable based on the situation right i.e. it doesn't matter if Gabe is dumb (as he appears to be) or upset or whatever, if a reasonable person would have thought someone who threatened to jump off the balcony, might actually do it when threatened with death and detained against her will ON that balcony.
Would the average person foresee that in the circumstances?
At no stage in the transcript did she threaten to jump off the balcony. He threatened to throw her off, but that's it.
It's far more reasonable to expect her to maybe pound on the door and demand to be let in, or (as I suspect the intent of putting her outside was) just cool off and sober up, than try to escape by jumping off the balcony. That doesn't absolve him from responsibility in what ultimately happened, but to claim that a "reasonable" person's first thought upon putting her outside would be that she might/could/should/would jump is a bit far-fetched.
It doesn't matter if its the most likely scenario or not, only if it was foreseeable.
It isn't about the reasonable persons first thought either, its about whether it would be "a" thought.
Hell of a first post. You seem to have a lot more insight than most here. Not even going to try and play devil's advocate with that.
Sorry for such a long post! Just, I think this bloke has skated off a lot of past trouble by playing "poor me" and relying on his autism (which doesn't stop him socialising heavily or talking a lot on dates, funny that) and these supposed 'blackouts' (selective memory loss, he even tries to tell his dad "i can't remember" the fall, though he recalls what happens either side of that brief moment.. get real, Tostee...).
Great posts ausgirl , I was trying to explain the relevance of him being banned from nightclubs on the GC earlier but didn't have as much of a background to his exact behaviour (the remaining sober and preying on the drunkest girls thing I could have guessed - its straight from the script of that particular online community).
Just reading the transcript you can see he's predatory and aggressive towards women, and then you factor in the history of not borderline but completely creepy behaviour and other girls saying he got too physical etc. and like you said, the end of the recording makes it clear he's fantasising about her death from the balcony and that she's terrified, he then stops her from leaving by force.
It looks suss as **** on what is publicly available.
LolwutHanging out sober at bars waiting to prey on drunk chicks makes him a rapist.
Lolwut
Its ethically questionable but its not rape if its consensual. Bit of a stretch to state hes a rapist when there is no evidence of him sleeping with any female without their consent
Hanging out sober at bars waiting to prey on drunk chicks makes him a rapist.
If you're predatory in that regard, killing a woman wouldn't be a massive leap imo.
Lol you have some issuesNot sure you understand how consent works.
It's ethically reprehensible, predatory and rape.