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What injury has he carried over nearly 2 seasons now?Cotchin's been carrying an injury since the first Fremantle game last year.
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What injury has he carried over nearly 2 seasons now?Cotchin's been carrying an injury since the first Fremantle game last year.
This is my major worry at the moment Doc - I reckon we might win all of our remaining games but I disagree that we will make the 8.
In fact the salt in the wound of coming home with a wet sail and finishing 9th will even more focus all of us on the amateur hour that was our pre-season and early season this year.
Such a waste of a year really...
Just because they're retreads doesn't mean they're crap players, Petterd has been in very good form and Chaplin has improved his performances since Rance has been back. Maric? Lloyd? Gordon? Hampson fair enough, Thomas has been serviceable as short term backup. Houli is back to his best.
The only guys that haven't played this year are King (injured), Knights (injured), Helbig (who knows), McIntosh (injured/developing) and McBean (injured/developing), Elton (who knows) or non-elevated rookies.
Arnot has played 4
Astbury has played 8
Batchelor has played 6
Dea has played 7
Gordon has played 5
Griffiths has played 10
Grimes has played 12
Lennon has played 5
Lloyd has played 6
McDonough has played 7
Miles has played 6
O'Hanlon has played 1
These are all our next tier players vying for a spot on the senior list, so please explain how exactly we're not getting games into players?
What injury has he carried over nearly 2 seasons now?
Just my opinion but lennon, Miles, Lloyd, McDonough, batchelor,Arnot, O'Hanlon all should have played way more than what they have.
I think most of the fans would be more impressed with developing young kids and having them come through into a formidable winning team for the next ten years instead of some meaningless wins adding to zero now in 2014.
How is this not obvious to those in power.
Selection has been the worst performed element this year, behind game day coaching, and then the actual players - in that order.
I think that's the nature of AFL in general, there's always going to be someone you want playing instead of someone else, and can justify anything.A case can made of each player there dropped too early or not given enough chance (atleast as much as hampson).
We need to find out about these players. List Management can't be amateur hour again in the off season.
Oh, and also, for the supporter's sake. We want to see hope and youth, not same old and too old.
Lol surely he didn't say that?I can't belive he was staggered at the improvement of the rest of the teams.
he just admitted to screwing up by underestimating the opposition. That is in itself staggering. He faield to prepare for this season adequately. He thought that an elimination final loss against a team that finished 9th and would elect to play us 22 times each season was good enough for natural improvement. He loaded up on hasbeens and thought we were 'cherry ripe'. meanwhile the other teams improved, we stagnanted and look where we are.
It must be the Essendon blood in him. Deny, deny, deny.
I'm resigned to the fact that he will be there next year. I'm not happy about it.
Lol surely he didn't say that?
Miles should have been in from round 1.in place of who?
Miles should have been in from round 1.
The others needed to stay in for an extended stint at it once they got in. O'Hanlon got 15 minutes.
Fair point. But to be fair as well, it's not my job to identify that. It's the coach.I know it's heresy but did it cross your mind that Miles wasn't ready to play rd1? He couldn't get a game at GWS, delisted, dumped, and we picked him up for free (pick 27 rookie draft. A few passed him over!). Any credit anywhere?
So it's fair to assume there might have been one or two deficiencies in his game. But he did a bit of time in the VFL and then made an impact as soon as he came in...good development?
Not just you, but the relentless negativity on here, even when we unearth a talent like Miles (for free) is breathtaking.
IMO, he is doing the best for the club and the kids in the long run by making it tough for them to get a game. Therefore, when they start playing in the AFL, they will be more grateful and will work to the best of their ability to keep their spots in the ones. Kinda like what Miles is doing now. He is continuously making an impact after he worked hard in the twos for the spot that he received. So, I am all for him lifting the bar up for them to get a game. Who cares what those seniors that don't perform get given. We already screwed up with them by gifting them games. They are not a part of Richmond's future. Eventually, the kids who work hard will take their spots and they will have only themselves to blame for not being able to get a game anymore. Our standards would be too high for them thenI assume he is just drumming up crowd attendance but surely he doesn't believe winning season end back end victories has anything to do with supporters respect.
If DH gave the kids more of a go when results have become irrelevant for the year he would probably earn more respect IMO because they would be focusing on a more relevant objective still relevant which is developing for a future premiership that is actually still current as an objective!!
Found him and gave him game time and he's proven the coaching staff and recruiters can get it right. I'm really happy we have and that he's doing well.I know it's heresy but did it cross your mind that Miles wasn't ready to play rd1? He couldn't get a game at GWS, delisted, dumped, and we picked him up for free (pick 27 rookie draft. A few passed him over!). Any credit anywhere?
So it's fair to assume there might have been one or two deficiencies in his game. But he did a bit of time in the VFL and then made an impact as soon as he came in...good development?
Not just you, but the relentless negativity on here, even when we unearth a talent like Miles (for free) is breathtaking.
Perhaps he expects them to be better than what they were on the days that they were dropped. You would be much harder and tougher on those that you have high hopes for. The mentor who believes that someone has a lot of potential would make them work extra hard in order to unlock their potential. You would reward them less frequently than the one you have less hope for. But that is just my opinion though. I am not sure what happens within those four walls at Punt Road, so I could be completely wrong on thisThat's a good post and making the kids earn it is no bad thing. But playing Arnot in the forward pocket and O'Hanlon as the sub and immediately dropping them was not much reward.
At this stage of the season we've had, selection must be with an eye to the future. McDonough and Helbig have sustained form, so let's see if they get a game. Helbig hasn't had a look-in for two years and the way it's going he'll be delisted without another look.
Matt Thomas represents how far Dimma has departed from what he promised us and I would bet good money he'll be in this week.
Miles should have been in from round 1.
The others needed to stay in for an extended stint at it once they got in. O'Hanlon got 15 minutes.
Agree however the trouble with dropping guys when their form dips i.e. Houli is that his replacement Dea will take a few weeks to get used to the speed that is AFL. The gap between the guys playing regularly and those in the VFL is too great so the coach knowing this puts his faith in the AFL player to eventually turn it around. This season we have had too many guys down at the same time which has significantly weakened our side.I agree with your sentiment. There seems to be double standards and some may well feel depressed or oppressed!
IMO it would appear fairer and or more plausible if some of the more consistent AFL players selected at RFC were dropped every now and then when form dipped in line with perceived policies.
Some players seem to be on the end of slight favourable treatment while others are absent from spectators memory!
Agree however the trouble with dropping guys when their form dips i.e. Houli is that his replacement Dea will take a few weeks to get used to the speed that is AFL. The gap between the guys playing regularly and those in the VFL is too great so the coach knowing this puts his faith in the AFL player to eventually turn it around. This season we have had too many guys down at the same time which has significantly weakened our side.
It's up to the coach and his merry men to get the players prepared and ready to go. If the players are playing injured then this makes the decision easier
These young kids are now becoming disenchanted with DimmaI think most of the fans would be more impressed with developing young kids and having them come through into a formidable winning team for the next ten years instead of some meaningless wins adding to zero now in 2014.
How is this not obvious to those in power.
Selection has been the worst performed element this year, behind game day coaching, and then the actual players - in that order.
Sorry probably didn't word it too well but the gap I was referring to is the come up to speed with the game gap not skill, ability etc. It's why IMO Hardwick keeps picking the same three or four AFL experienced blokes like Petterd, Thomas etc ahead of McDonough, Dea, etc as these kids don't have the same AFL experience to go straight away. Is this best for the short term but detrimental to the long term?The gap is not great when we are not expected to win the match anyway. Players have to develop some time to improve. No pain, no gain! No reward without risk!
Sorry probably didn't word it too well but the gap I was referring to is the come up to speed with the game gap not skill, ability etc. It's why IMO Hardwick keeps picking the same three or four AFL experienced blokes like Petterd, Thomas etc ahead of McDonough, Dea, etc as these kids don't have the same AFL experience to go straight away. Is this best for the short term but detrimental to the long term?
Whether we'd all struggle to identify them or not is beside the point, the fact of the matter is, those players were already on Ports list, so it was hardly a list that was in pieces as you suggested.
As for their stunning transformation, I'd suggest the recruitment of Burgess, who got Port fitter than any other team in the league had a fair bit more to do with that than any game changing game plan that Hinkley came up with.
Hardwicks tenure started off so much different to Hinkley's, for starters our list was shot, ports at least had a skeleton list, if we got Hinkley instead of Hardwick I am not sure he could have done better.
I can't belive he was staggered at the improvement of the rest of the teams.
Matt Thomas represents how far Dimma has departed from what he promised us...