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DoubleDraw7710 said:
Can anyone tell me the lowest number of games a player has been on a list for 5 years? Collingwood as yet have not delisted Cory Gault who has played 4 games in 4 years (2 years senior list then 2 years rookie list). The only way I see he gets a game in 2016 if 2 key forwards are injured at the same time.
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Luke Lowden beats that.

2009 0.
2010 0.
2011 0.
2012 0.
2013 0.
2014 1.
2015 0.

7 seasons, 1 game, 3 goals and drafted in 2008.
 
RedmanWasHere said:
Luke Lowden beats that.

2009 0.
2010 0.
2011 0.
2012 0.
2013 0.
2014 1.
2015 0.

7 seasons, 1 game, 3 goals and drafted in 2008.
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Except for in exceptional circumstances, you would think that list spots are too valuable to keep players like Lowden and Gault around season after season. I don't see how anyone benefits in such a situation.
 
BlueBen said:
Except for in exceptional circumstances, you would think that list spots are too valuable to keep players like Lowden and Gault around season after season. I don't see how anyone benefits in such a situation.
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I guess it's because they're tall Lowden 206cm, Gault 199cm and given more time to develop. Gault was unlucky in a way he was a midfielder as junior until a late growth spurt. The hope was he'd be a mobile forward/second ruck. It looks like he gets one last year on the rookie list to prove himself.
 

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DoubleDraw7710 said:
I guess it's because they're tall Lowden 206cm, Gault 199cm and given more time to develop. Gault was unlucky in a way he was a midfielder as junior until a late growth spurt. The hope was he'd be a mobile forward/second ruck. It looks like he gets one last year on the rookie list to prove himself.
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Fair enough re Gault. I actually thought he looked decent in a pre-season game against us earlier this year. But you'd have to say that the chances of him forging a long AFL career from here seem remote - if it was going to happen for him then it probably would have happened by now, same with Lowden.

Anyway, we're probably getting a bit off topic!
 
Highest number of possessions by one players in one finals series?

Obviously slanted towards those who played 4 finals. Mitchell with 137 this year must be up the very top.
 
What is the biggest discrepancy in behinds for two teams who kicked the same total of goals in the same game?

These are some instances I know of in other major leagues. (They are not necessarily the outright records)

19 - SANFL - Glenelg 11.29 (95) vs. South Adelaide 11.10 (76) - round 16, 1959
19 - TFL - New Norfolk 13.24 (102) vs. North Hobart 13.5 (83) - round 6, 1990
19 - TFL - South Launceston 13.23 (101) vs. Glenorchy 13.4 (82) - 1992
16 - VFA - Springvale 5.21 (51) vs. Box Hill 5.5 (35) - round 12, 1988
13 - NSWFL - Easts 7.20 (62) vs. Balmain 7.7 (49) - round 7, 1967


Can anybody provide a record for the WAFL?
 
worbod said:
What is the biggest discrepancy in behinds for two teams who kicked the same total of goals in the same game?

These are some instances I know of in other major leagues. (They are not necessarily the outright records)

19 - SANFL - Glenelg 11.29 (95) vs. South Adelaide 11.10 (76) - round 16, 1959
19 - TFL - New Norfolk 13.24 (102) vs. North Hobart 13.5 (83) - round 6, 1990
19 - TFL - South Launceston 13.23 (101) vs. Glenorchy 13.4 (82) - 1992
16 - VFA - Springvale 5.21 (51) vs. Box Hill 5.5 (35) - round 12, 1988
13 - NSWFL - Easts 7.20 (62) vs. Balmain 7.7 (49) - round 7, 1967


Can anybody provide a record for the WAFL?
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WAFL Top 3
22 - EF 13.26 (104) def Subi 13.4 (82) in R5,1975
http://waflfootyfacts.net/gamestats.php?GameID=5509

20 - EF 5.22 (52) def Perth 5.2 (32) in R18, 1902
http://waflfootyfacts.net/gamestats.php?GameID=184

18 - Subi 6.27 (63) def WP 6.9 (45) in R8, 1915
http://waflfootyfacts.net/gamestats.php?GameID=952
 
Does anyone know the latest round that the eventual premier was not in the Top 4/5/6 or 8?

For example in 1991, Hawthorn was not in the Top 6 at the end of Round 12 after a loss to the Cats in that fixture, while in 1992 the West Coast Eagles made a slow start to the season and were still out of the Top 6 at Round 10, ironically entering the 6 in Round 11 with a bye. In 1998, eventual premiers the Adelaide Crows were not in the top 8 at the completion of Round 12.

Are there any cases of premiership teams entering the finals grouping later than these teams in the 1990s?
 
emuboy said:
Does anyone know the latest round that the eventual premier was not in the Top 4/5/6 or 8?

For example in 1991, Hawthorn was not in the Top 6 at the end of Round 12 after a loss to the Cats in that fixture, while in 1992 the West Coast Eagles made a slow start to the season and were still out of the Top 6 at Round 10, ironically entering the 6 in Round 11 with a bye. In 1998, eventual premiers the Adelaide Crows were not in the top 8 at the completion of Round 12.

Are there any cases of premiership teams entering the finals grouping later than these teams in the 1990s?
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It would be hard to go past Carlton in 1945:

Carlton were outside the final 4 after round 19 in 1945. (20 home and away rounds that season)
Richmond were outside the final 4 after round 18 in 1969. (20 home and away rounds that season)
Essendon were outside the final 4 after round 15 in 1949. (19 home and away rounds that season)
Fitzroy were outside the final 4 after round 14 in 1944. (18 home and away rounds that season)
North were outside the final 5 after round 13 in 1975.
 
worbod said:
It would be hard to go past Carlton in 1945:

Carlton were outside the final 4 after round 19 in 1945. (20 home and away rounds that season)
Richmond were outside the final 4 after round 18 in 1969. (20 home and away rounds that season)
Essendon were outside the final 4 after round 15 in 1949. (19 home and away rounds that season)
Fitzroy were outside the final 4 after round 14 in 1944. (18 home and away rounds that season)
North were outside the final 5 after round 13 in 1975.
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Thanks Worbod - in the case of Carlton, talk about leaving it to the last minute!

I have another question for one of the stats geniuses on this board; how many examples are there of a team beating its opponent by the same margin in successive matches played between the two, whether in the same season or the next season?

I am aware of two. In the 2006 Grand Final, the West Coast Eagles defeated the Sydney Swans by 1 point, and the Eagles again defeated the Swans by a point in Round 1 2007. Years earlier, Fitzroy thrashed Richmond by 59 points at the MCG in Round 20 1991, and in the next meeting between the Tigers and Lions in Round 8 1992, Fitzroy again won by 59 points.
 
I know Fitzroy defeated Hawthorn by one point in both their meetings in 1978. As for a complete list, hopefully one of the database kings has a quick way of finding the info.
 

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worbod said:
Here is a link to a copy of the AFL Records for 1997. The Grand Final edition will naturally be the last in the list. Click on the image/ thumbnail of the record and then click on page 63 for the Reserves line ups.
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I should have been a bit clearer. I was hoping for the actual team lineup (in positions) on the day
 
In 90 plus years, the Bulldogs have never finished in first position on the ladder, while Brisbane as either the Bears or Lions, new teams Gold Coast and GWS and the long-gone University have also never finished a season as minor premiers.

While this stands out, are there other examples of teams that have never finished in a particular position on the ladder? Obviously 17th and 18th positions can be discounted as these have only been around for 5 years and Gold Coast and GWS have never finished high enough to play finals, but if as a hypothetical one of the Victorian teams has never finished in 9th position, I would be interested to hear of these.
 
with the lions having the youngest and least experienced team in the competition for 2016. i was wondering.
1. what is the best performance in a season for the youngest team in the comp?
2. what is the best performance in a season for the least experienced team in the comp?
3. how do 2016 averages for the lions compare to the giants and suns in their start up year?

might help put into perspective the expectations on the lions in 2016 and the inevitable pressure on leppa if they don't perform as well as some pundits might expect.
 
worbod said:
What is the biggest discrepancy in behinds for two teams who kicked the same total of goals in the same game?

These are some instances I know of in other major leagues. (They are not necessarily the outright records)

19 - SANFL - Glenelg 11.29 (95) vs. South Adelaide 11.10 (76) - round 16, 1959
19 - TFL - New Norfolk 13.24 (102) vs. North Hobart 13.5 (83) - round 6, 1990
19 - TFL - South Launceston 13.23 (101) vs. Glenorchy 13.4 (82) - 1992
16 - VFA - Springvale 5.21 (51) vs. Box Hill 5.5 (35) - round 12, 1988
13 - NSWFL - Easts 7.20 (62) vs. Balmain 7.7 (49) - round 7, 1967


Can anybody provide a record for the WAFL?
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These make interesting reading, and I know that in the AFL/VFL the record is South Melbourne's 8.30-78 to 8.8-56 win over Geelong in 1944. Perhaps goals were rationed in World War 2 but behinds were not?

At the other end of the scale, the AFL record for the highest discrepancy for goals over behinds was set only this year, when Hawthorn destroyed Carlton with a 27.11-173 to 4.11-35 victory in Round 17 2015. This eclipsed a record that had stood for 20-years, and was the Sydney Swans' 27.8-170 to 6.8-44 victory over Fitzroy in Round 19 1995 (16 goals to Tony Lockett). Interestingly, Carlton's coach for the 2015 game - John Barker - was in the Fitzroy team thrashed by Sydney at the Western Oval in 1995.

As with the cases of inaccuracy, does anyone know of any WAFL, SANFL, VFL/VFA, TAC Cup, TFL, NSWFL, QFL, NTFL or NEAFL games that are equal to or better than Hawthorn's win over Carlton this year?
 
Most VFL/AFL premierships as a player and/or coach. Have I got this right?

Barassi 10
McHale 9
Matthews 8
Sheedy 8
 
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