Updated The Bruce Lehrmann Trials Pt2 * Justice Lee - "Mr Lehrmann raped Ms Higgins."

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1

Historical Rape Allegation Against Fmr AG Christian Porter
The Alexander Matters matters

Just a reminder, this is the crime board and we need to be aware that there will be victims of crime either watching this thread or engaging in here from time to time. A degree of respect in all discussions is expected.

LINK TO TIMELINE
CJS INQUIRY
FINAL REPORT – BOARD OF INQUIRY – CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
Joint media statement – Chief Minister and Attorney-General

LINK TO FEDERAL COURT DEFAMATION PROCEEDINGS

 

[Punt rd end]

Bettina thinks the girls Bruce chases are too old. She's a putrid excuse for a human.

WTF! Ms Higgins was 24 when he raped her what age does she think he would be best raping

 

[MPMonkeys]

Bettina thinks the girls Bruce chases are too old. She's a putrid excuse for a human.

Any chance of providing some substance or context to this?

 

[Festerz]

Any chance of providing some substance or context to this?

Still not familiar with Google I see. From Wikipedia:

Arndt claimed the high incidence of sexual assault and rape on Australian university campuses is a fiction cooked up by feminists.[76] The student Liberal Club at Sydney University hosted Arndt's "Fake Rape Crisis Campus Tour" event and students protested her on-campus appearance.[25]

Arndt has been accused of downplaying the sexual abuse of children by adults. She has suggested that rape is not always violent and has said that most children do not incur long-term damage from sexual assault.[51]

In 1997, Arndt defended a doctor who had molested a 12-year-old child and other patients including Arndt herself,[52] arguing that he should not be charged because in another context masturbation would have been "a loving and pleasurable act".[53]

In 2005, in an article in The Courier-Mail, Arndt discussed convicted paedophile Robert Potter, a scoutmaster who had molested four boys, one of whom subsequently attempted suicide. She described Potter as "a good bloke"[52] and argued that "such minor abuse rarely has lasting consequences".[53]

In a 2012 article she wrote that "Demonising sexuality inevitably distorts a proper perspective on sexual crimes, leading to politically inspired calls for absurdly longer sentences, misinformation about the likelihood of offenders to reoffend and exaggeration of the emotional damage to the victims of minor abuse" and that "Our prurient interest in sex crimes often robs the perpetrator of any chance of redemption—as the sad death of cricket commentator Peter Roebuck bears witness."[54]

In 2017, Arndt conducted a 17-minute interview on her YouTube channel with Nicolaas Bester, a high school teacher in Tasmania who in 2011 was sentenced to two years and ten months jail for sexual assault,[55] maintaining a sexual relationship with a 15-year-old student[56] and possessing child pornography.[57] He was subsequently jailed again for producing child exploitation material[58][59] and bragging that the sexual abuse had been "awesome".[60][61] In the video, Arndt was seen to laugh and referred to "sexually provocative behaviour from female students" and said young women should "behave sensibly and not exploit their seductive power to ruin the lives of men"


There's more but even you would get the drift and why her financial and moral support for Lehrmann would raise the type of comment posted by Cam Payne

 

[Brian Oblivion]

Well, of course the rape is the trigger for everything! That goes without saying.

After that, there were no real missteps until 29 May 2020, when Higgins met Sharaz. Then things percolated for some months, before the cavalcade of missteps ensued from the shopping of the story in early 2021 and it's ultimate publication.

From there, there are bodies strewn all over the place from the collateral damage. Justice Lee might be the only to have gone anywhere near this case and not been thrown under a bus somehow. It's one of the most extraordinary things I've ever seen!

Well of course ! Hello ?

 

[FIGJAM]

Consequences?

2 The result is best characterised as the respondents (Network 10) overcoming a misconceived claim in relation to a broadcast because they were able to prove at trial the substantial truth of what the contemporaneous material demonstrates they considered to be the less substantial allegation made in the broadcast.

I'd argue that in addition to the costs that they'll never claw back, the fact that they considered the claim of rape to be the less substantial allegation of their broadcast, they will rightly be wearing tremendous reputational damage.

 

[Kurve]

I'm sure everyone at Network 10 are wrapped with paying the better part of $10 mill in legal fees...

I recall Dr Richardson at the costs hearing stating that he was personally going to give Network 10 a lesson on what they did wrong and how to do better. I assume he'll flip them a bill for that Zoom session too!

Lisa got a Walkley and The Project is still raking it in, so for them I don't think it's really about the money. They will see this judgement as a win.

 

[jason_recliner]

Love this comment from Lee.

‘with the predictability of an atomic clock partisans have focussed solely on those parts of the judgement that happen to align with preconceived notions’

Sounds like he's talking about the most prolific posters in this thread (myself excluded, naturally).

 

[BFew]

Arndt has been accused of downplaying the sexual abuse of children by adults. She has suggested that rape is not always violent and has said that most children do not incur long-term damage from sexual assault.[51]

In 1997, Arndt defended a doctor who had molested a 12-year-old child and other patients including Arndt herself,[52] arguing that he should not be charged because in another context masturbation would have been "a loving and pleasurable act".[53]

I wonder how much (if any) of the $30k Arndt fund-raised for Lehrmann came from pedos and people that had committed sexual assaults.

 

[jason_recliner]

Still not familiar with Google I see. From Wikipedia:

Arndt claimed the high incidence of sexual assault and rape on Australian university campuses is a fiction cooked up by feminists.[76] The student Liberal Club at Sydney University hosted Arndt's "Fake Rape Crisis Campus Tour" event and students protested her on-campus appearance.[25]

Arndt has been accused of downplaying the sexual abuse of children by adults. She has suggested that rape is not always violent and has said that most children do not incur long-term damage from sexual assault.[51]

In 1997, Arndt defended a doctor who had molested a 12-year-old child and other patients including Arndt herself,[52] arguing that he should not be charged because in another context masturbation would have been "a loving and pleasurable act".[53]

In 2005, in an article in The Courier-Mail, Arndt discussed convicted paedophile Robert Potter, a scoutmaster who had molested four boys, one of whom subsequently attempted suicide. She described Potter as "a good bloke"[52] and argued that "such minor abuse rarely has lasting consequences".[53]

In a 2012 article she wrote that "Demonising sexuality inevitably distorts a proper perspective on sexual crimes, leading to politically inspired calls for absurdly longer sentences, misinformation about the likelihood of offenders to reoffend and exaggeration of the emotional damage to the victims of minor abuse" and that "Our prurient interest in sex crimes often robs the perpetrator of any chance of redemption—as the sad death of cricket commentator Peter Roebuck bears witness."[54]

In 2017, Arndt conducted a 17-minute interview on her YouTube channel with Nicolaas Bester, a high school teacher in Tasmania who in 2011 was sentenced to two years and ten months jail for sexual assault,[55] maintaining a sexual relationship with a 15-year-old student[56] and possessing child pornography.[57] He was subsequently jailed again for producing child exploitation material[58][59] and bragging that the sexual abuse had been "awesome".[60][61] In the video, Arndt was seen to laugh and referred to "sexually provocative behaviour from female students" and said young women should "behave sensibly and not exploit their seductive power to ruin the lives of men"


There's more but even you would get the drift and why her financial and moral support for Lehrmann would raise the type of comment posted by Cam Payne

 

[jason_recliner]

Lisa got a Walkley and The Project is still raking it in, so for them I don't think it's really about the money. They will see this judgement as a win.

Everybody is a winner from this given the clicks it's generated, except Leerman.

 

[Punt rd end]

Everybody is a winner from this given the clicks it's generated, except Leerman.

Hopefully he **** OFF to texas to be with his family

 

[MrsBlueSky]

My guess is that Justice Lee won't buy Network 10's argument that Lehrmann's civil case was so unreasonable as to be pinned for 100% of the costs.

I reckon Lee will make Network 10 bear the responsibility for some of the costs and even in Network 10's submissions, they acknowledge that they have been unsuccessful in some issues.

It seemed to me the result was the opposite to what you predicted
I took it Lee made provision for exemplary or punitive costs which is rare because BL abused court process

 

[Festerz]

Everybody is a winner from this given the clicks it's generated, except Leerman.

So you think Lehrmann's a loser?

The guy entered this without a job. He then got a year's free rent worth $100k + in a luxury Sydney Apartment, at least one free happy ending massage and a $361 Tomahawk steak at a top Sydney restaurant, amongst other perks all paid for by Kerry Stokes' Channel 7. He also got the services of an SC free of charge over several weeks and two trials and the free services of Mark O'Brien legal for his defamation trial.

And despite being found liable for the legal costs of Ten and Wilkinson - costs estimated in the multiple millions - this confirmed rapist is unlikely to have to pay a cent due to his financial situation and is still entitled to a presumption of innocence under the law for the events of that night in Parliament House in February 2019.

'Beware the man who has nothing to lose'


More bags please.

 

[jason_recliner]

So you think Lehrmann's a loser?

The guy entered this without a job. He then got a year's free rent worth $100k + in a luxury Sydney Apartment, at least one free happy ending massage and a $361 Tomahawk steak at a top Sydney restaurant, amongst other perks all paid for by Kerry Stokes' Channel 7. He also got the services of an SC free of charge over several weeks and two trials and the free services of Mark O'Brien legal for his defamation trial.

And despite being found liable for the legal costs of Ten and Wilkinson - costs estimated in the multiple millions - this confirmed rapist is unlikely to have to pay a cent due to his financial situation and is still entitled to a presumption of innocence under the law for the events of that night in Parliament House in February 2019.

'Beware the man who has nothing to lose'

More bags please.

He's found to be a rapist, he's bankrupt, and he's been humiliated on the national stage. I doubt he cares about a steak and $100k worth of free rent.

 

[Kurve]

We need to stop evading the swear filter, thanks.

 

[jason_recliner]

We need to stop evading the swear filter, thanks.

Sorry - edited now.

 

[GrayRanga]

Hopefully he **** OFF to texas to be with his family

Maybe he could get a job working as a political advisor for a Presidential candidate who also has had his sexual assault determined in the Civil jurisdiction

 

[FIGJAM]

It seemed to me the result was the opposite to what you predicted
I took it Lee made provision for exemplary or punitive costs which is rare because BL abused court process

Not the opposite at all. You cut out the part where I said Lehrmann was up for millions and it doesn’t matter.

The one part that Lee set aside (begrudgingly imho) that I thought he would punish 10 on, is in Section 13 of todays findings, which was an agreement between Higgins / Wilkinson and 10, basically assuring cooperation so long as there was no settlement. At which point, that is a violation “because under s 37N(1) of the Federal Court of Australia Act 1976 (Cth)(FCA Act), all parties were required to conduct any negotiations for settlement of this dispute in a way that is consistent with its quick, inexpensive and efficient resolution”.

He found in 10 and Wilkinson’sfavour here, because Bruce didn’t counter offer (I didn’t know this). If he did, then they’d have copped a whack, because it was deceitful.

 

[BFew]

Hopefully he **** OFF to texas to be with his family

After he's dealt with potential Perjury & Contempt of Court charges, and the Toowoomba sexual assault case.

 

[Festerz]

"By all accounts, Lehrmann is jobless, homeless and lacking in significant means to pay Ten’s costs"

Bruce Lehrmann ordered to pay almost all of Channel Ten’s defamation case costs

Ten’s legal team had argued Lehrmann should pay all its costs because suing The Project for defamation was ‘deliberately wicked and calculated’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bunk Moreland]

"By all accounts, Lehrmann is jobless, homeless and lacking in significant means to pay Ten’s costs"


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Bruce Lehrmann ordered to pay almost all of Channel Ten’s defamation case costs

Ten’s legal team had argued Lehrmann should pay all its costs because suing The Project for defamation was ‘deliberately wicked and calculated’

www.theguardian.com

Maybe all that rapin’ wasn’t worth it Bruce, you pig.

 

[jason_recliner]

Maybe he could get a job working as a political advisor for a Presidential candidate who also has had his sexual assault determined in the Civil jurisdiction

Clinton is too old to run again.

 

[FIGJAM]

Lisa got a Walkley Logie and The Project is still raking it in, so for them I don't think it's really about the money.

Wilkinson won a Logie and no Walkleys. Maiden won the Walkley. You'd probably ask them to hand them back based on Lee's findings, but they're jokes of awards anyway.

The Project has been struggling badly with ratings for a couple of years. It gets clubbed by 7 and 9 News and even the ABC News. There was even some talk last year about axing it for a rehash of one of the shittest game shows in television history; Deal or No Deal.

 

[BFew]

I wonder who will end up paying most of this $60k?

https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/117708/Mr-Auerbachs-submissions.pdf

'Mr Auerbach’s submissions on costs'

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/the-snitch-prominent-criminal-lawyer-not-guilty-of-murder-cover-up/news-story/7cbb0e7fa6010605177f2da2e994e799

May 11, 2024 - 6:56PM
The Sunday Telegraph

...​

'THE TAYLOR AUERBACH SHOW BILL​

The Taylor Auerbach sideshow in Bruce Lehrmann’s epic defamation case against Network Ten cost $60,000, according to documents filed in the Federal Court of Australia.

And given the bombshell it blew up in the case that had tens of thousands of spectators glued to the court’s YouTube channel, there’s an argument to be made that it will be money well spent.

Auerbach was a late entry as a witness to the case and gave evidence that Lehrmann had lied in his own evidence.

The 32-year-old was a producer on Channel 7’s Spotlight program and gave evidence including that the show provided Lehrmann with prostitutes, cocaine and other benefits while trying to woo him for an interview.

According to affidavits lodged with the court, the legal costs of getting Auerbach’s evidence ready and answering to the subpoenas for him to appear in court on such a quick turn around amounted to just under $60,000.

That proportion of the amount that will be paid is now being assessed.'

 

[Brian Oblivion]

https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/117708/Mr-Auerbachs-submissions.pdf

'Mr Auerbach’s submissions on costs'
I wonder who will end up paying most of this $60k?

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/the-snitch-prominent-criminal-lawyer-not-guilty-of-murder-cover-up/news-story/7cbb0e7fa6010605177f2da2e994e799

May 11, 2024 - 6:56PM
The Sunday Telegraph

...​

'THE TAYLOR AUERBACH SHOW BILL​

The Taylor Auerbach sideshow in Bruce Lehrmann’s epic defamation case against Network Ten cost $60,000, according to documents filed in the Federal Court of Australia.

And given the bombshell it blew up in the case that had tens of thousands of spectators glued to the court’s YouTube channel, there’s an argument to be made that it will be money well spent.

Auerbach was a late entry as a witness to the case and gave evidence that Lehrmann had lied in his own evidence.

The 32-year-old was a producer on Channel 7’s Spotlight program and gave evidence including that the show provided Lehrmann with prostitutes, cocaine and other benefits while trying to woo him for an interview.

According to affidavits lodged with the court, the legal costs of getting Auerbach’s evidence ready and answering to the subpoenas for him to appear in court on such a quick turn around amounted to just under $60,000.

That proportion of the amount that will be paid is now being assessed.'

I gave Taylor Auerbach the 3 votes as the most entertaining witness during the defo case. Ten should pay for that.
He made Channel 7 look worse than a laughing stock.