The ZOMG Online Poker is Rigged Thread

[ashley12]

Reidfactor, I am not sure if you are serious, but to make a serious allegation such as that you might want some kind of data to back you up.

Im going to play a few micromillions events, will depend on work I guess.

 

[reidfactor]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

no data mate, just 8 years of watching it happen, especially the past 12 months..

look at the country of the player you are losing your big show downs too, its usually a russian or a canadian, whilst the spanish suck out with the most ridiculous hands ever as well...

i think they can program you to be a winning or losing player, i dont believe the randomness of this site.. but this is just my opinion!!

im a winning player in live games, but boy am i terrible on pokerstars, it just doesnt add up..

someone must agree with my theory... cheers

 

[harropower]

no data mate, just 8 years of watching it happen, especially the past 12 months..

look at the country of the player you are losing your big show downs too, its usually a russian or a canadian, whilst the spanish suck out with the most ridiculous hands ever as well...

i think they can program you to be a winning or losing player, i dont believe the randomness of this site.. but this is just my opinion!!

im a winning player in live games, but boy am i terrible on pokerstars, it just doesnt add up..

someone must agree with my theory... cheers

Crap
Poker stars make the same amount of rake no matter who wins

People always remember the hands you get sucked out on, but not the ones you suck out in

 

[reidfactor]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

Crap
Poker stars make the same amount of rake no matter who wins

People always remember the hands you get sucked out on, but not the ones you suck out in

ok so they dont want a quick as possible game? to get more rakes?

3 players will go all in with aces, kings and queens, you honestly think this is random mate? lol

 

[harropower]

ok so they dont want a quick as possible game? to get more rakes?

3 players will go all in with aces, kings and queens, you honestly think this is random mate? lol

You said some countries suck out more then others....you didn't say anything about speed of games affected my hands drawn

 

[ashley12]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

no data mate, just 8 years of watching it happen, especially the past 12 months..

look at the country of the player you are losing your big show downs too, its usually a russian or a canadian, whilst the spanish suck out with the most ridiculous hands ever as well...

i think they can program you to be a winning or losing player, i dont believe the randomness of this site.. but this is just my opinion!!

im a winning player in live games, but boy am i terrible on pokerstars, it just doesnt add up..

someone must agree with my theory... cheers

Then you most likely are using selective memory to make your claim.

The reason you possibly win big at live games are numerous. It could be

1) You play live really well and adjust to live players well, but for a number of reasons (dont use a HUD, dont play well against tougher opponents) dont play as well against online players in an online setting

2) You dont game select very well online and always play tough opponents

3) You dont actually win live, its a mixture of creative accounting and selective memory that makes you believe you win live, and its only with an online account, with that money telling the true story, that you realise that you are losing money playing online poker.

Fact is, PokerStars is the largest poker site in the world and follows strict Isle of Man regulations, which would prohibit all of these things. A large number of live players dont play online because they claim it is rigged, when for the most part they just cant be the games regularly.

 

[reidfactor]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

tell me how a certain russian player can win and come second in the sunday millions within 3 weeks...

over 7500 players in both tournys, and he just happens to run better then usain bolt...

you guys believe what you like and i'll believe what i think plus thousands of live players believe to be true!!

you think the russians cant get to the companies who vouch for the randomness of the cards..

 

[harropower]

tell me how a certain russian player can win and come second in the sunday millions within 3 weeks...

over 7500 players in both tournys, and he just happens to run better then usain bolt...

you guys believe what you like and i'll believe what i think plus thousands of live players believe to be true!!

you think the russians cant get to the companies who vouch for the randomness of the cards..

Delusional

 

[reidfactor]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

how am i delutional when its a fact WALTERBISH the russian won and came second in the sunday millions, within 3 weeks?

7500 players, wow he must be great at poker!!

your the one who is blind here...

but anyways im talking to sheep, so im done here... no doubt you guys will say your winning players on pokerstars... lmao

keep it real


oh its already been proven that players were using programs to see opponents cards as well... come on guys wake up

 

[harropower]

how am i delutional when its a fact WALTERBISH the russian won and came second in the sunday millions, within 3 weeks?

7500 players, wow he must be great at poker!!

your the one who is blind here...

but anyways im talking to sheep, so im done here... no doubt you guys will say your winning players on pokerstars... lmao

keep it real

Your delusional to think its rigged to Russians

I have not played online for years as I don't have time
I'm not a winning player
But I've won atleast 7 MTTs over stars and tilt and final tabled many more
Played as a staked player for many many years

 

[reidfactor]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

Your delusional to think its rigged to Russians

I have not played online for years as I don't have time
I'm not a winning player
But I've won atleast 7 MTTs over stars and tilt and final tabled many more
Played as a staked player for many many years

sounds like your out of touch then harropower!

you havent played online for years, but im just delusional and wrong..

ok great chat, im off to crown to win, lose or draw fair and square... cheers


ps- can someone tell me the odds of placing 1st and 2nd in pokerstars biggest tournament, within 3 weeks, with over 7500 players in both tournaments? i'd love to know the odds...

 

[ashley12]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

tell me how a certain russian player can win and come second in the sunday millions within 3 weeks...

over 7500 players in both tournys, and he just happens to run better then usain bolt...

you guys believe what you like and i'll believe what i think plus thousands of live players believe to be true!!

you think the russians cant get to the companies who vouch for the randomness of the cards..

Its not impossible to have a lucky run over a number of tournaments.

Ben Lamb's run at the WSOP this year (3rd out of ~7000) people at the Main Event, won another PLO event and final tabled the 50k tournament, was just as fortunate as this Russian player. Therefore live poker is rigged. Same as Dan Harrington final tabling the WSOP main event two years in a row.

Thousands of live players are all probably lifetime losers at live poker and online, and will probably believe that 9/11 was an inside job, Barack Obama is a robot and GWS have a chance of playing finals this year.

sounds like your out of touch then harropower!

you havent played online for years, but im just delusional and wrong..

ok great chat, im off to crown to win, lose or draw fair and square... cheers


ps- can someone tell me the odds of placing 1st and 2nd in pokerstars biggest tournament, within 3 weeks, with over 7500 players in both tournaments? i'd love to know the odds...

The odds of a certain player doing it are indeed long, but the odds of SOMEONE doing it arent that wide at all, in fact, depending on the range of skill involved it could become relatively likely depending on tournament structure.

how am i delutional when its a fact WALTERBISH the russian won and came second in the sunday millions, within 3 weeks?

7500 players, wow he must be great at poker!!

your the one who is blind here...

but anyways im talking to sheep, so im done here... no doubt you guys will say your winning players on pokerstars... lmao

keep it real


oh its already been proven that players were using programs to see opponents cards as well... come on guys wake up

Link please? In relation to Pokerstars and not Ultimate Bet.

 

[checkraiseulite]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

I don't completely rule out the possibility of hackers/players having access to hole cards, although I agree it's probably very very unlikely.

I do think it's impossible that Stars are in on any of this type of thing in light of recent events.

>50% reidfactor is trolling too.

 

[DoggyStyle]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

My $0.02.

I have been playing online poker regularly for the last 4 years and are a loosing player overall, although the vast majority of those losses are rake. I have played on several sites including Stars, Party, 888, and Titan poker and find them all to be similar in regards to my win loss ratio.

I typically only play micro/low stakes, a very rare cash game (if my game time is limited) and have recently started playing tournaments.

90% of my losses were in the fist couple of years, I had a year where I thought I had finally established my game and were cash positive for over 12 months, only to have a massive 3 month loosing streak where I couldnt have won hand with an A high flush on the flop.

That three months were frustrating as I felt I was playing my cards and opponents correctly and had my money in good, only to be outdrawn. This was the ony time over the last 4 years that I felt the odds were stacked against me and I questioned the integrity of online poker.

The only other time I have questioned it was when I was using Sharkscope HUD to try and analyse my opponents more effectively. On numerous occasions heads up I came across players that were playing for the first time or had less than 10 games experience and seemed to play a tight game, untill I raise with pockets KK or somthing similar only to be called with a 75 off suite that pushes me all in on a flop of 489 only to hit the 6 on the river. Subsequent look up of these same player in the days following showed they had not played since that 1 game against me.

Anyway, long story short, I don't think online poker is rigged either at the player or even country level for that matter, however I think its fair to question the random nature of card allocation.

Based on the premise that all sites work on a rake per hand/tournament, it makes sense that they would want to churn through games at a higher rate to generate more income.

Anyone have any knowledge on how poker sites randomise the hole and community cards?

Perhaps that was more my $0.05 worth

 

[ashley12]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

All fair points DoggyStyle.

About the RNG, full tilt IIRC had a system where the deck wasnt "set" and as such, the flop, turn and river wasnt fixed as the hand went through, but I could be wrong about that.

Pokerstars has a fixed RNG, so the river card is decided ahead of time. It has been externally tested as part of Isle of Man rules IIRC.

About the people playing, while my tin foil hat says maybe their is a conspiracy, I think that given the competitive international market that people smart enough to out the cheaters (such as PotRipper) will do that to any site that isnt fully above board.

 

[reidfactor]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

Its not impossible to have a lucky run over a number of tournaments.

Ben Lamb's run at the WSOP this year (3rd out of ~7000) people at the Main Event, won another PLO event and final tabled the 50k tournament, was just as fortunate as this Russian player. Therefore live poker is rigged. Same as Dan Harrington final tabling the WSOP main event two years in a row.

i agree ben lambs run was amazing, and it was was definately legit as it was live, with live dealers, players and cameras there to witness it... it is vastly different to the same russian doing what he did on pokerstars.. and by the way i watched the last 3 hours of that second tournament he placed second in, and to watch some of the unbelievable rivers he received to survive was off the planet. i just kept saying this is not right here, and so were many many other railers...

Thousands of live players are all probably lifetime losers at live poker and online, and will probably believe that 9/11 was an inside job, Barack Obama is a robot and GWS have a chance of playing finals this year.

9/11 was an inside job,
obama is a puppet, not a robot...
and gws have no chance in hell of playing finals in the next 5 years...




Link please? In relation to Pokerstars and not Ultimate Bet.

sorry it was ultimate bet, that was caught, pokerstars have so far avoided this problem.. its highly possible it happens as well.. so far there has only been chinese syndicates caught abusing the site... i have played on this site for way to long, seen too many bizarre results both to me and others... and the site does favor russian players and canadian players big time. pay close attention nexttime u have a bad or suss defeat.. check the suck outs country... all the best..

 

[ashley12]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

Ben Lambs run was just as hot as this Russians you are claiming. How does the fact it is being held in a live setting make it any more or less likely to be cheating.

I mean, back in the early days Doyle Brunson and co. caught people cheating all the time, and that wasnt in front of a computer screen.

About the chinese players, they were not rigging the system in anyway. What THEY did was join Double Or Nothing SnGs together, and use team playing to help best-hand the randoms in the SnG to make money. This wasnt the fault of PokerStars, and eventually PokerStars changed the system of DoNs to not have X amount of people from the same country in the same DoN.

Fact is, while like checkraiseulite, I dont completely rule out the possiblilty that there is some form of cheating, it is in the same vein I dont rule out the possibility of God*, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster existing. But until someone shows me irrefutable proof that they exist, I am not going to believe them, because the burden of proof is on YOU, the accuser to show data to prove your claims.

Saying "ZOMG Canadians and Russians just keep beating me" isnt proof of anything.

You have one more post to show evidence of this systematic cheating, or to even explain how PokerStars gains to benefit from having a Russian win over the hardworking, playing Aussie or someone might get some time in the naughty "I have been trolling" corner...

 

[reidfactor]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

just lost to a russian who went all in preflop with 69 off, got nizzled on the river, guess i shouldv'e folded my pocket aces to the russian who was going all in every hand...

mate you believe what you want and i have every rite to believe what i think... im not trolling, just thought i'd ask what people thought of pokerstars being yet another dodgy site...

imo its so rigged, that i will ban myself for yet another 12 months...

whats with threatening me with suspensions, whats with that? stop trying to police me, theres already enough police in this nanny country..

im out, i'll leave the poker forum all to you champo

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

Not that I buy this cheating BS, but I would have to say that Russians I've come across on Pokerstars are easily the worst group of players to play against in MTTs. A high percentage of the WTF moments and ridiculous beats I've had over the years have come against Russian players. I just think that on the whole they are awful at poker, not that they're cheating.

 

[ashley12]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

Okay, hypothetical situation ReidFactor...

PokerStars IS rigged for Russians (again, hypothetically)...

What is in it for them to run a crooked site? Where do they benefit?

 

[reidfactor]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

russian population

143 million approx

if russian players are seen to be doing well, then more customers heading pokerstars way..


its all about marketing now, especially with the loss of the american market... russia is huge...

do me a favor and watch the final hour of this sundays millions tourny, follow the russians, get on about 5pm monday... check it out, i bet you at least 2 russians make the final table... its truly amazing to watch how it keeps happening...

 

[ashley12]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

Chinese and Indian populations are far larger then the Russian population, so why not them?

Also, how exactly to you anticipate that PokerStars screens adverts in Russia saying "Come play with us, we are ****ing over everyone else to help you" without the other 6.5 billion people finding out?

Actually change of plan, Im actually probably going to enjoy watching you justify that PokerStars rigs it for them

 

[ashley12]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

I think people like ReidFactor show why people can still make money from zero-sum games such as poker.

 

[reidfactor]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

I played the $6million guarantee Sunday Million last night, did terribly

Also played ~20 other tournaments ranging from $11-$75, and busted all but one, which happened to be a mincash in the smallest tournament I played that day.


I'D BE MORE CONCERNED WITH MY OWN GAME IF I WAS YOU ASHLEY...

 

[ashley12]

Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

I played the $6million guarantee Sunday Million last night, did terribly

Also played ~20 other tournaments ranging from $11-$75, and busted all but one, which happened to be a mincash in the smallest tournament I played that day.

I'D BE MORE CONCERNED WITH MY OWN GAME IF I WAS YOU ASHLEY...

I would be concerned with your ability to quote...

About those tournaments, lets say hypthetically top 10% cash, I would be expected to cash in 1.8 or lets say 2 tournaments. Cashing in one, while annoying, is hardly a big issue.

If I had gone 100/1800 would be a far more pressing issue since those results would be closer to the mean.

While I appreciate your concern, I am relatively happy with my game at the moment, and am looking forward to not going to work tomorrow, or the next day, or the day after that, or the weeks after that.

So anyway, why would Pokerstars rig the games to favour the Russians or the Canadians?