Bluemour Melting Pot XXVII

[Arr0w]

Apologies for missing this earlier

I think its more of a ruck issue, rather than talls in general. We seem to have plenty of talls down back. We need another ruckman on the list.

I think it has been talls in general. Sure we can grab another ruckman/forward, but we are still lite down the spine

The plephora of talls on our list are generally 3rd talls, not KPD's

Does it have to be one of the blokes we have training now though ? If they say well Moore is a slightly better ruck than McDonald and give him another year I will almost vomit , I personally would rather look at the other available rucks even Majak Daw would be worth looking at I reckon .

If we weren't aiming for finals, then I would take a young, raw, spine player, but that won't help us over the next 3 years

I would add McDonald, then someone like a Zac Strom from the WAFL, that can play in any arc, rather than Moore

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Where did Connor Ballenden end up ?

Is he worth consideration, haven’t seen much of him myself

 

[Arr0w]

Where did Connor Ballenden end up ?

Is he worth consideration, haven’t seen much of him myself

Another good option

 

[Team DJ]

Im willing to run the Gauntlet and go small this year.
Worth taking a flyer on Maher over proven sun standard commodities in McDonald and Moore

 

[Arr0w]

Tanking another mid, over a tall would be list management suicide

 

[BigFrizz36]

Majak Daw now has a turning circle bigger than the centre square. He is shotter than the most shot bird in history. It was a great effort for him to get back to where he can play suburban football but he was no great shakes as an afl footballer to start with. He will be 30 by the time the season starts and he has played 54 games in 10 years on a senior list in an average team. Just No.

 

[norway blue]

Yeah DJ I would go with that also . Levi to alternate with Pitt having a good block of games to build synergy and confidence . If Pitt can halve the centre , take a mark down back and take a mark up forward . Pitt to play well this year is not out of the question.


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[Bamboo Harvester]

We are thin KPD and ruck and have to look at the best options that are available. McDonald has been at least adequate for a decent length of time and has been replaced by the May/Lever combo. Jones turns 30 in the next month, but by no means is a dinosaur. He has a durable body and good athleticism so it is feasible he has in the vicinity of three years left. Our need is a ready to go back up, who can still be there if we find a suitable youngster to draft in the next year or two.
He is in the fold, if he is holding his own, it is a no brainer.

I have a feeling that any decent ready to go ruck prospects out there have already been taken up. We gain nothing by taking a kid as a knee jerk to TDK's injury. Pitto carried the ruck last year when Kreuze and TDK were both unavailable for a stretch. Levi and Jones/McKay are break glass options, with Harry touted by Teague as doing some ruck work in the preseason. Really can't see us reaching for another ruck. Feeling that we must stay the course with what has been outlined. With a number of medium to long term injuries, I will not be surprised if we add Maher as well. Seems a good prospect. We have accrued plenty of mids and there will probably be a bit of a reckoning at the end of the season. It doesn't hurt to "trial" another one if the list spot is available.

Stocker, Dow and Cuningham have two years on contracts and Philp three, but this fact will not stop suitors calling if they don't get significant game time. I am ultra bullish on Stocker finding a spot in the 22 by season's end. The other mids and peripheral types likely will have to perform or perish. O'Brien and Kennedy are both personal favourites of mine, but certainly have no guarantees of extension beyond this season. I have been ultra supportive of Cottrell and Ramsay, who both will be required to significantly up the ante to survive, with Josh Honey seemingly assured of a future by reports filtering through. New boys Durdin and Carroll have time on their side as does the "untried" Kemp. I can't see the dedication and endeavour of Owies giving him a career beyond his final Cat B season given the options seemingly ahead of him.

All things being equal, my preference would be Maher by the length of the Flemington straight.

However, the immediate issue we have is an injured Charles and TDK. If Pitto happened to go down, we're left with no recognised ruckman except for Cas, who is at best a pinch hitter and of more value up forward. So hypothetically if he's left to carry the ruck load, then we're left with Harry flying solo as our KPF supported by Gov and JSOS as the support mediums....you could add Martin to that list.

So do we select a kid who was in the top 30 in many phantom drafts looking to the long term, or a top up player to plug some potential big holes?

There's a pretty good reason that our list management invited Maher as a train on, but do we run the risk of going into the season thin of KPP's?

 

[Arr0w]

Lose Walsh, Cripps, Ed, we can still manufacture a midfield to compete

Lose Weitering, Jones, Levi, we have no KPD's left and would get spanked by other club's KPF's

Not to mention that our ruck stocks would consist of Pitto and McKay as a chopout, leaving us no competant KPF's when McKay is the chopout ruckman

 

[ferrisb]

An AFL club could still snap up Majak if he's interested but I would say he'd be content with playing with his brother.

Majak is the older brother.

Or in footy parlance.... Early Daws...

 

[norway blue]

Pitt is only 25 and still developing. Kruze will train him up ..


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[skadoosh]

Lose Walsh, Cripps, Ed, we can still manufacture a midfield to compete

Lose Weitering, Jones, Levi, we have no KPD's left and would get spanked by other club's KPF's

Not to mention that our ruck stocks would consist of Pitto and McKay as a chopout, leaving us no competant KPF's when McKay is the chopout ruckman

Yup 7 players on our list at 195cm and above. 1 of them is Cripps...
The other 6:
2x Rucks
2x KPF
2x KPD

That certainly looks thin to me. Other teams' number of players at 195cm or above:
ADE: 9
BRI: 10
COLL: 6 (4 @ 194cm)
ESS: 12
FREO: 6
GWS: 12
GEE: 12
GCS: 10
HAW: 11
MEL: 8
NM: 9
PORT: 8
RICH: 10
STK: 9
SYD: 11
WCE: 9
WB: 9

 

[thylacine60]

Majak Daw now has a turning circle bigger than the centre square. He is shotter than the most shot bird in history. It was a great effort for him to get back to where he can play suburban football but he was no great shakes as an afl footballer to start with. He will be 30 by the time the season starts and he has played 54 games in 10 years on a senior list in an average team. Just No.

yup

 

[Arr0w]

Yup 7 players on our list at 195cm and above. 1 of them is Cripps...
The other 6:
2x Rucks
2x KPF
2x KPD

That certainly looks thin to me. Other teams' number of players at 195cm or above:
ADE: 9
BRI: 10
COLL: 6 (4 @ 194cm)
ESS: 12
FREO: 6
GWS: 12
GEE: 12
GCS: 10
HAW: 11
MEL: 8
NM: 9
PORT: 8
RICH: 10
STK: 9
SYD: 11
WCE: 9
WB: 9

Yeap, thininst spine league wide, real concern

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Tanking another mid, over a tall would be list management suicide

Agreed. Already have enough trouble developing Cottrell Philp Cuningham Dow O'Brien Stocker etc and our draftees from this season. No need to pick more young midfielders

 

[Ash24]

Yup 7 players on our list at 195cm and above. 1 of them is Cripps...
The other 6:
2x Rucks
2x KPF
2x KPD

That certainly looks thin to me. Other teams' number of players at 195cm or above:
ADE: 9
BRI: 10
COLL: 6 (4 @ 194cm)
ESS: 12
FREO: 6
GWS: 12
GEE: 12
GCS: 10
HAW: 11
MEL: 8
NM: 9
PORT: 8
RICH: 10
STK: 9
SYD: 11
WCE: 9
WB: 9

Thanks for that, really interesting.

 

[norway blue]

Go the pace way . Smart footy nous . Pitt to be solid , valuable and durable..


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[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I personally think it's the opposite.

If one of Jones or Weiters was to be injured, Casboult would be the one to replace. Knowing that Charlie is out indefinitely, and it's very likely that a combination of injuries to Harry, Gov or JSOS will occur, all of a sudden our KPF levels are low.

Whilst we have three ruck options in Levi, Pitto and TDK, our key position stocks at both ends of the ground are very low.

I think It’s all three RUCK KPF KPD, also if Pittonett was to get injured while the King is out then that puts us way on the back foot and also puts way too much of a load onto Casboult...

 

[JustaBattler]

Not sure that choosing 195cm (6'4") as the cut off point for 'tall' means much - we have another 9 players at 190 - 194cm in height on the list ie only 1-4cm shorter than the 195+ blokes.....I am more concerned with the overall running body mass for most positions V opposiiton - we looked undersized against most of the better oppostion last year - not underheighted.

 

[skadoosh]

Not sure that choosing 195cm (6'4") as the cut off point for 'tall' means much - we have another 9 players at 190 - 194cm in height on the list ie only 1-4cm shorter than the 195+ blokes.....I am more concerned with the overall running body mass for most positions V opposiiton - we looked undersized against most of the better oppostion last year - not underheighted.

Who would be the logical replacements if one of Weitering or Jones were injured? Casboult back and McGovern to CHF?
What if McKay or Casboult were injured? McGovern or JSOS into a KPF position? That sounds ugly.
Yes - we look ok on paper without any further injuries, but the main point over the last page or so, our list ratio is off. We got rid of Macreadie, Goddard, Moore BSOS without bringing in any like for like + Kreuzer retired on top of that.

 

[Ash24]

Who would be the logical replacements if one of Weitering or Jones were injured? Casboult back and McGovern to CHF?
What if McKay or Casboult were injured? McGovern or JSOS into a KPF position? That sounds ugly.
Yes - we look ok on paper without any further injuries, but the main point over the last page or so, our list ratio is off. We got rid of Macreadie, Goddard, Moore BSOS without bringing in any like for like + Kreuzer retired on top of that.

Well said, exactly what I've been trying to get across over the last few months.

 

[HBF]

North Heidelberg

Good luck to him.
But I didn't want him at our club.
Given where our list is at, I think OMac makes the most sense.
At 24, and standing 196cm he really is the obvious choice.

 

[JustaBattler]

Who would be the logical replacements if one of Weitering or Jones were injured? Casboult back and McGovern to CHF?
What if McKay or Casboult were injured? McGovern or JSOS into a KPF position? That sounds ugly.
Yes - we look ok on paper without any further injuries, but the main point over the last page or so, our list ratio is off. We got rid of Macreadie, Goddard, Moore BSOS without bringing in any like for like + Kreuzer retired on top of that.

I agree we lack depth in KPP - I dont agree that the list is too short -one thing isnt the other.

 

[Jabba73]

Yeap, thininst spine league wide, real concern

Bring Whitnall back?

 

[Blue and Blue]

Lot of interesting opinions......a speedy midfield player will always be a good addition in my view...(think mosquito fleet) puts pressure on the rest of them. I do not see our spine as an issue its the ones at their feet and the linkup that are needing help.