Autopsy 2026 Rd 1 Carlton vs Richmond - 4 points but alarm bells still ringing

[myblueroan]

I'm all for showing aggression when it's warranted but those are cherry picked incidents.. do you want him to run 40m to get involved in a scrap when there's already 20 players there (so it serves no benefit) and potentially give away a free kick like that goose Lynch from the Tigs would and did.. Or should he hold his shape and give instructions like he was to Young? I thought he kept a calm head and was still being a leader and instructing positioning.

It's unbelievable how much we pot Weitering on this board. He's a gun. He gets his job done nearly every week. And we are lucky to have him.

I liked him best as an intercept player. We don't have the talent currently to allow him to roam it seems.

 

[Gethelred]

Agree. Forwards love to bait defenders to get a reaction and retaliation that results in the forward getting a free.

Happened in R0 when Crippa in the D50 overreacted and gave away a free after a goal was kicked, and gave the Swans another goal from that free. Yeah great leadership, just what we needed giving away frees and goals.

Will say, though, that he's damned if he does - frees against - and damned if he doesn't, - no-one flying the flag, poor leadership - and that those frees paid against him are not paid against Hawthorn or GC.

How often do we see niggle from poorer sides get penalised and that same (or frequently worse) niggle permitted to slide from sides supposedly contending?

 

[branedotorg]

Gov tick. You can stay on the ground. Weit - bomb it - zero tolerance - you're off. And anyone else ignoring the short and bombing down the line. Take them off immediately. They are costing us the game.

agree with this but it's not entirely in the kicker's hands, potential receivers need to clear the area then let one or more options break to be a target.

long down the line may be the only option if there's no movement

 

[Gointocarlton]

There are no words to describe how bad I thought Weitering's game was. He was putrid. Beyond putrid.

He missed an easy short pass to Hayward in the first quarter and then decided to put the cue in the rack for the rest of the night. Just went the bomb down the line. This is what should have cost us the game.

Example:

7 min left in the 3rd quarter he takes a mark coming out of defense - good mark - but then...

Takes too long to get back behind the mark
Ignores Chesser running past who was free
Ignores 2 short options on the boundary side
Ignores Florent, Hewett and Fog back in the middle who all have space

What does he do? Bombs it long straight down the line to Gov in a 3 on 1 against. I took the time to printscreen that because for me it shows exactly why we are so poor in second halves so worth noting.

Weitering is supposed to be a leader. I hate to be the bearer of bad news - he aint a leader's ringhole.

In the first half we'd chip this ball over to Hewett, Florent runs past the man forced to stand on the mark and it's a really dangerous F50 entry. Instead it breaks down and worse - allows the tigs to set up for this stupid kick. They can let our players run free in the middle knowing we'll ignore them so they put extras down the line.

Weit did it again a few minutes later also.

They have to break this mental midget stuff. They have to play the same way from minute 1 to minute 80. No modes, no weird signs being held up on the boundary. Just play the same way all the time and the minute someone steps outside of this the coach HAS TO TAKE THEM OFF AND PULL THEM INTO LINE!!!

Voss seems to do / say nothing. Which is why we can all see it happening but it doesn't stop. We don't have a talented enough coach to find a circuit-breaker.

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40 seconds after Weit's kick (straight turnover) the Tigs had a shot for goal from 20m out and missed.

You assume the coaches say nothing without actually knowing that to be he case. As other have stated, Weiters received coaches votes (ie both teams) so he must have done something right. Did he make a few blunders? Sure he did, wasn't Robinson Crusoe. 2 clangers and 2 turnovers doesn't suggest putrid in my book. We see things differently I guess.

 

[goreds]

You assume the coaches say nothing without actually knowing that to be he case. As other have stated, Weiters received coaches votes (ie both teams) so he must have done something right. Did he make a few blunders? Sure he did, wasn't Robinson Crusoe. 2 clangers and 2 turnovers doesn't suggest putrid in my book. We see things differently I guess.

Agree with most of this.

My concern with Weits (and has always been) is that he is just slow in doing things. Slow to release, slow to get back over his mark, slow to get the ball moving in general.

A bit of urgency would do wonders for his game.

 

[Blue Pulse]

There are no words to describe how bad I thought Weitering's game was. He was putrid. Beyond putrid.

He missed an easy short pass to Hayward in the first quarter and then decided to put the cue in the rack for the rest of the night. Just went the bomb down the line. This is what should have cost us the game.

Example:

7 min left in the 3rd quarter he takes a mark coming out of defense - good mark - but then...

Takes too long to get back behind the mark
Ignores Chesser running past who was free
Ignores 2 short options on the boundary side
Ignores Florent, Hewett and Fog back in the middle who all have space

What does he do? Bombs it long straight down the line to Gov in a 3 on 1 against. I took the time to printscreen that because for me it shows exactly why we are so poor in second halves so worth noting.

Weitering is supposed to be a leader. I hate to be the bearer of bad news - he aint a leader's ringhole.

In the first half we'd chip this ball over to Hewett, Florent runs past the man forced to stand on the mark and it's a really dangerous F50 entry. Instead it breaks down and worse - allows the tigs to set up for this stupid kick. They can let our players run free in the middle knowing we'll ignore them so they put extras down the line.

Weit did it again a few minutes later also.

They have to break this mental midget stuff. They have to play the same way from minute 1 to minute 80. No modes, no weird signs being held up on the boundary. Just play the same way all the time and the minute someone steps outside of this the coach HAS TO TAKE THEM OFF AND PULL THEM INTO LINE!!!

Voss seems to do / say nothing. Which is why we can all see it happening but it doesn't stop. We don't have a talented enough coach to find a circuit-breaker.

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40 seconds after Weit's kick (straight turnover) the Tigs had a shot for goal from 20m out and missed.

This is a huge reason we have turned putrid, well let's not say putrid, but why we have begun to struggle. Look at when we were travelling well a few years back, Gov, Weitering and Saad were hitting dangerous targets up field, 40-50m or more away. Now they have become more reserved and will go backwards, sideways 20m any which way but take on the kick making us very predictable.

All are decent kicks, all are experience players, it just doesn't sit right and allows the opposition to flood back.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

agree with this but it's not entirely in the kicker's hands, potential receivers need to clear the area then let one or more options break to be a target.

long down the line may be the only option if there's no movement

Of course but...

In the vast majority of cases there is a better option than bombing it.

And if you ignore the short option everyone stops running / presenting.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

You assume the coaches say nothing without actually knowing that to be he case. As other have stated, Weiters received coaches votes (ie both teams) so he must have done something right. Did he make a few blunders? Sure he did, wasn't Robinson Crusoe. 2 clangers and 2 turnovers doesn't suggest putrid in my book. We see things differently I guess.

From 9 disposals?
I'd say the stats man is being kind too.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

This is a huge reason we have turned putrid, well let's not say putrid, but why we have begun to struggle. Look at when we were travelling well a few years back, Gov, Weitering and Saad were hitting dangerous targets up field, 40-50m or more away. Now they have become more reserved and will go backwards, sideways 20m any which way but take on the kick making us very predictable.

All are decent kicks, all are experience players, it just doesn't sit right and allows the opposition to flood back.

Agreed.

My hope is that this can be fixed at the individual level. Demanding more from someone like Weitering and swapping a few out for Newman, Saad, maybe Boyd should increase the skill level / decision making.

The biggest worry is still Voss.

His game plan is archaic and trying to catch up to where clubs were last year. Worse - he doesn't seem to be able to react in game at all to correct course when things start going off the rails. Playing favourites at selection table.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Even though we kicked the last couple of goals of the second quarter you could see the game turning before that when we started bombing the ball down the line and they kept picking it off.

I think I noticad a pattern that you touched on, players like Florent and Chesser etc were trying to present themselves options as the 45 degree kicks but once they were ignored a few times they stopped presenting and we went back to our default game plan afterwards. Players are too scared to attempt the kick for some reason as the game goes on, and players stop presenting.

How can this cycle be broken?

it was more than that though (i watched H2 again last night).

It was moreso just plain old poor skills and decision making.

J. Smith once or twice trying to be too cute.. but O. Hollands the prime offender.

Why we use him as the guy coming out of defence staggers me....

Other times, we simply took the wrong option...and were chopped off.

It didn't look like tiredness, just a lack of thought frankly.

Oh, and such slow ball movement....shocking.

 

[Broadside]

Bit worried about Ollie Hollands he covers a lot of ground but uses it so poorly.

 

[Moon]

It didn't look like tiredness, just a lack of thought frankly.

Oh, and such slow ball movement....shocking.

Having to think about it is half the problem imo. Every second counts.
Carlton players take 2-3 seconds thinking about what they should do ... whereas other team's players will do the automatic HB over their heads accurately to their own team mate running past.
It looks like it is well rehearsed so they move the ball much more quickly.
When Carlton does it ... it always appears measured and therefore slow.

I still think it is fast reaction skills training under pressure that is required.... that they obviously don't do.

Carlton needs a skills trainer that thinks outside the square with some new cutting edge ideas that other Clubs haven't adopted. Being at the leading edge rather than playing catch up.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

it was more than that though (i watched H2 again last night).

It was moreso just plain old poor skills and decision making.

J. Smith once or twice trying to be too cute.. but O. Hollands the prime offender.

Why we use him as the guy coming out of defence staggers me....

Other times, we simply took the wrong option...and were chopped off.

It didn't look like tiredness, just a lack of thought frankly.

Oh, and such slow ball movement....shocking.

I think a lot of individuals really poor performance is getting masked by the team-wide shitness.

Cowan bombed it down the line 4 times which was the worst offender.

If you want to get the team out of this second half fadeout - we have to get rid of the players who are bombing it down the line.

Zero tolerance.

 

[Accidental genius]

Bit worried about Ollie Hollands he covers a lot of ground but uses it so poorly.

We all should be worried about Ollie’s poor disposal….

He’s not the only one unfortunately.

Walsh Acres to name another two.

 

[T2B_]

Problem is if we got rid of every player that uses it poorly we wouldn't have much of a team left...

 

[teddy-hopkins]

We all should be worried about Ollie’s poor disposal….

He’s not the only one unfortunately.

Walsh Acres to name another two.

How does Acres get a slap? He hasn't even played a game yet!

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Problem is if we got rid of every player that uses it poorly we wouldn't have much of a team left...

There is a difference between someone taking on a tough kick and turning it over and bombing it.

The long kick down the line is the problem. A short kick can miss the target but it's sticking to the game plan which has to be rewarded. The other is mental fragility on display - that's what I'd be dropping guys for. Or at least taking them off to give them a bake.

Moir tried that kick back into the middle in the 3rd quarter against Sydney and turned it over and got dropped. I don't doubt there was more to the dropping than that but it made it easier.

Voss is all about the easy option at selection table.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

I don’t think quoting either Nic or Paul is the best source. Ainsworth is right at the bottom of our problems. He was very good last week and will be a good player for us.

Probably been said already but I found it funny the sheer number of people who misunderstood that tweet as an attack on Ainsworth. It's quite literally supporting him and pointing out the extreme defensive running we require from the smalls.... Gas them gas them gas them. Then let's wonder why our fourth quarters suck....

 

[Accidental genius]

How does Acres get a slap? He hasn't even played a game yet!

You think his disposal has magically improved over last preseason?

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Cripps urgently needs to look at this goal-kicking method.
Stutter step, run out the the right, kicking too close to the man on the mark...
It's such an ugly thing to watch.

Dont worry, skipper is the ultimate professional and dual brownlow medalist. He'll obviously leave no stone unturned in improving his goal kicking and thus set positive examples of progression via hardwork to the rest of the list..

Oh wait. What's that. The last season he was bottom 10 of 329 eligible players for goal kicking accuracy? And he's kicked 0.4 this year? Maybe there are some unturned stones in WA feeling left out still then...

 

[goreds]

You think his disposal has magically improved over last preseason?

I prefer it in Acres hands than the other blokes!

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Bit worried about Ollie Hollands he covers a lot of ground but uses it so poorly.

Mate, he starts every year slowly, it’s frustrating because he gets better as the year goes on. I’m usually pretty full on with calling for his head about now but the evidence is there over 3-4 seasons now it just takes him a while to get going.
His challenge next preseason is to make sure he hits the ground running and start the season as he normally ends it.

 

[JustaBattler]

Agreed.

My hope is that this can be fixed at the individual level. Demanding more from someone like Weitering and swapping a few out for Newman, Saad, maybe Boyd should increase the skill level / decision making.

The biggest worry is still Voss.

His game plan is archaic and trying to catch up to where clubs were last year. Worse - he doesn't seem to be able to react in game at all to correct course when things start going off the rails. Playing favourites at selection table.

who didnt he pick that should have got a game do you think? Has he develpped 7 new favourites to hold back the match winners you can come up with? Im genuinely interested..who are Voss' massive mountians of unfavourites...?

 

[JustaBattler]

Dont worry, skipper is the ultimate professional and dual brownlow medalist. He'll obviously leave no stone unturned in improving his goal kicking and thus set positive examples of progression via hardwork to the rest of the list..

Oh wait. What's that. The last season he was bottom 10 of 329 eligible players for goal kicking accuracy? And he's kicked 0.4 this year? Maybe there are some unturned stones in WA feeling left out still then...

he embarassed himself...a full preseaosn to prwepare for a pt forward role and his kciking s worse than it was 6 years ago...just more evidence to me that he is just what he is ...

 

[Moon]

How does Acres get a slap? He hasn't even played a game yet!

His reputation precedes him ...