VFL St Kilda VFL 2026

[CaptainRisky]

I was happy to leave it at agreeing to disagree, but seeing as you've had another go and decided I'm wearing rose coloured glasses. You're welcome to your own opinion, but not your own facts. He went at 80% Disposal Efficiency for 20 disposals.

I also never said anything about whether he was AFL standard or not, I said he doesn't consistently turn it over like some like to pretend. It's a bias I notice often. That has nothing to do with whether I think he's AFL standard.

Does nothing with it? Look at what this opens up. It's a ridiculous handball. View attachment 2600867

Clean usage and evasion out to a sweeper, who now has room to go forward.
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This kick is neat.
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These are just the ones I could bother dredging up. Plenty of others. He's not perfect, like I said, but the idea that he's consistently turning it over is fiction. You're just one eyed and can't see reality.

Obsessed with Ryan or what , spending all that time to prove what , That he can kick 35mtrs

You can have him in your best side , i wont be

Enjoy the rest of your weekend

 

[Vacuous Space]

Yeah not saying he won’t make it, and I won’t be surprised if he has a solid 200 game career, but spending a top 8 pick in a superdraft on a skinny project flanker with suspect kicking is just a very hard no for me.

I'm not going to tell you it was the greatest pick of all time, but I do think you're being a bit reductive here. In addition to being a big metres gained player, he was one of the top interceptors at the champs (8.5 per game) and was up there with Jack Whitlock and Jobe Shanahan in contested marks (6 for Trav, 7 for Whitlock and 8 for Shanahan). DE is a super flawed stat, but his was 85%, which at least indicates he wasn't turning it over a lot. He finished 5th in MVP voting.

After the champs, he went back and played mid for Bendigo and was very good there. He kicked a lot of goals from the midfield (11 in his last 8 games, after kicking none in his first four). I've watched most of those games and he was very much the kind of pack busting, goal kicking mid that people dream about. He was a stronger defensive presence there than most other junior mids and had multiple double-digit tackle games.

Whether all that translates to AFL or not, I'm not sure. There's a huge gap there. He's been solid at VFL level, but we really want him to be showing he's too good for the level the way Garcia and Wilson did. He hasn't been doing that. I'm not too worried about him being skinny (Jagga looked pretty skinny last night). He will fill out. If he could have a Darcy Wilson type off-season, it would do him a world of good.

 

[Ads734]

Yeah not saying he won’t make it, and I won’t be surprised if he has a solid 200 game career, but spending a top 8 pick in a superdraft on a skinny project flanker with suspect kicking is just a very hard no for me.

Anyway, fingers crossed.

Will be fascinating to see where we actually play him going forward.

Unfortunately none of him, Box or Banfield (who are all hard-running 190cm-ish dudes) on top of Windy, are good kicks, so we must prioritise blokes with serious kicking skills from now on, IMO.

Hopefully Lance is a very good start there.

Well let’s remember this is not st Kilda of old. This was Simon Dalrympal making this pick. So let’s just assess in that vaccume. Like if people are upset fine. However this is not the same club that did the Clark/Coff or Paddy Billings stuff. Regardless Lenny rates him, so let’s wait up.

 

[Mr Platinum]

When we pick up a player like Max Hall for a box of chips, who cares!

 

[The Jack]

When we pick up a player like Max Hall for a box of chips, who cares!

Getting both right gives us a greater chance at

 

[JaysonD]

The Sandy connection was diabolical for us and that once proud VFA powerhouse. I've never been so happy despite the loss. Collard, Boxhall, Banfield...heck even Barret. There were so many green shoots in that side I'm confident our seniors won't have a 15 goal loss in my lifetime

 

[Rogue Warrior]

When we pick up a player like Max Hall for a box of chips, who cares!

Strong point. People are always happy to call out drafting errors but never much credit is given to turning Rookie’s, MSD or late picks into guns.

 

[Mav3rick]

I think all the afl listed players, at least the smalls, should spend time in the vfl on ball and/or off half back. Watching the young guys on the weekend it was so clear those are the positions they can really get into the game and develop their skills attacking, defensive and ball use under pressure.

I know they need to play them in their real positions but throwing them around has gotta be good for them.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Well let’s remember this is not st Kilda of old. This was Simon Dalrympal making this pick. So let’s just assess in that vaccume. Like if people are upset fine. However this is not the same club that did the Clark/Coff or Paddy Billings stuff. Regardless Lenny rates him, so let’s wait up.

Dalrymple (that is the correct spelling) is average with first round picks. Amazing strike rate with later picks but he has flubbed some early ones badly. I don't see AFL traits in Travaglia and I'm not really seeing any particularly promising signs from Barrat either. Reid and Whitlock were the obvious picks to anyone who had watched some junior footy.

He nailed the Boxshall and Dodson picks though.

 

[thekizzler]

Dalrymple (that is the correct spelling) is average with first round picks. Amazing strike rate with later picks but he has flubbed some early ones badly. I don't see AFL traits in Travaglia and I'm not really seeing any particularly promising signs from Barrat either. Reid and Whitlock were the obvious picks to anyone who had watched some junior footy.

He nailed the Boxshall and Dodson picks though.

Woken up to all the comedy from you this morning

I'm deadset laughing in bed.

First, you use your doctor credentials to factually write off Max King.

Second, you announce yourself as a better list manager than those in the AFL.

Give me more of this delusion I've still got a few unreads threads to go through as well

 

[gringo2011]

Strong point. People are always happy to call out drafting errors but never much credit is given to turning Rookie’s, MSD or late picks into guns.

You need to get the drafting right and then get a few wins through alternative pathways. Then you start to build up a competitive list. You can't offset draft misses with some unexpected wins.

We have been good at alternative pathways but that doesn't excuse the draft failures. You aren't going to get the draft 100% but to have nothing much to show for 15 years worth of national drafts is extraordinary.

Are King, Clark and Byrnes our only ND drafted players before the Nas, Owens and Windhager era picks? I can't be bothered looking it up but if so that is extraordinary. That would be zero players over 25 that came through the national draft. I imagine that it's some kind of record.

 

[gringo2011]

Dalrymple (that is the correct spelling) is average with first round picks. Amazing strike rate with later picks but he has flubbed some early ones badly. I don't see AFL traits in Travaglia and I'm not really seeing any particularly promising signs from Barrat either. Reid and Whitlock were the obvious picks to anyone who had watched some junior footy.

He nailed the Boxshall and Dodson picks though.

To be fair at Sydney he didn't get many early ones. Getting a pick in the 20s compared to a pick in the top 5 is huge. He did really well at the Dogs. He build a flag worthy list with high picks. They have missed finals twice in 15 years or something.

Sydney also had a huge amount of academy and other freebies that take picks out. Heeney, Campbell, Mills, Gulden, Blakey all took draft capital out that he didn't get access to.

 

[Remboy]

Woken up to all the comedy from you this morning

I'm deadset laughing in bed.

First, you use your doctor credentials to factually write off Max King.

Second, you announce yourself as a better list manager than those in the AFL.

Give me more of this delusion I've still got a few unreads threads to go through as well

I don't take any notice about injuries until I hear it from the only doctor I can trust, Dr Spaceman

 

[pebblesofsand]

To be fair at Sydney he didn't get many early ones. Getting a pick in the 20s compared to a pick in the top 5 is huge. He did really well at the Dogs. He build a flag worthy list with high picks. They have missed finals twice in 15 years or something.

Sydney also had a huge amount of academy and other freebies that take picks out. Heeney, Campbell, Mills, Gulden, Blakey all took draft capital out that he didn't get access to.

Take out the freebies and he still had a number of Picks before Pick 30 in his time with Sydney and wasn't super successful. Same applied at the Doggies. Good but not any sort of savant.

People get excited by the Bontempelli type pick but forget the Dylan Stephens.

Talent identification is hard - full stop.

 

[littlecreatures]

Dalrymple (that is the correct spelling) is average with first round picks. Amazing strike rate with later picks but he has flubbed some early ones badly. I don't see AFL traits in Travaglia and I'm not really seeing any particularly promising signs from Barrat either. Reid and Whitlock were the obvious picks to anyone who had watched some junior footy.

He nailed the Boxshall and Dodson picks though.

Bont, Ed Richards, and Naughton all FRPs from Dalrymple? Seems to have done okay building a list at both Dogs and Swans which wasn’t from late selections alone (evidently)

 

[Armoooo]

Dalrymple (that is the correct spelling) is average with first round picks. Amazing strike rate with later picks but he has flubbed some early ones badly. I don't see AFL traits in Travaglia and I'm not really seeing any particularly promising signs from Barrat either. Reid and Whitlock were the obvious picks to anyone who had watched some junior footy.

He nailed the Boxshall and Dodson picks though.

I was hoping we would take whoever slid to us out of Tauru/Langford and then trade down and try and take Reid / Shanahan with those picks.

I never saw Trav as a good option.

At the time it seemed like a disaster to me because we had a terribly pedestrian midfield without any players with any upside.

The emergence of Nas, Garcia and Hall make me feel much better about things now.

Shanahan would have been nice, as I am also of the opinion that Max King will never be a significant part of our side going forward.

 

[Saintbloke]

I was hoping we would take whoever slid to us out of Tauru/Langford and then trade down and try and take Reid / Shanahan with those picks.

I never saw Trav as a good option.

At the time it seemed like a disaster to me because we had a terribly pedestrian midfield without any players with any upside.

The emergence of Nas, Garcia and Hall make me feel much better about things now.

Shanahan would have been nice, as I am also of the opinion that Max King will never be a significant part of our side going forward.

Looks like Trav has a long way to go but I hope he can step up- reminds me a bit of a young Sicily from the Hawks strangely. King is pretty much a player who may or may not come back and I don't reckon Lyon is planning forward strategies with Max in mind.

 

[bergholt]

We have said multiple times we expect Trav to be able to play further up the ground.

Similar roles at the end of the day. Both can play half back/wing. Trav maybe on ball as well.

Nothing against LOC but I have no idea how he can come back play 1 9 possession VFL game and then be in the seniors. Surely we have more faith in Trav/Boxshall who can both play wing anyway?

played 4 VFL games actually.

I think the difference is that neither Trav nor Box will develop fast on the wing at AFL level. they'll either get sucked inside and mess up the structure or hold their width and not get much ball, neither good outcomes. whereas LOC has very good discipline and will stay in that spot, contest hard when it comes near him, and push down to help the defence as necessary.

like him or not, fat side winger is a pretty good role for him.

 

[Ads734]

Dalrymple (that is the correct spelling) is average with first round picks. Amazing strike rate with later picks but he has flubbed some early ones badly. I don't see AFL traits in Travaglia and I'm not really seeing any particularly promising signs from Barrat either. Reid and Whitlock were the obvious picks to anyone who had watched some junior footy.

He nailed the Boxshall and Dodson picks though.

I don’t think he’s average tbh. I’ve been working on a model to work it out.

He drafted

Bont (pick of a lifetime)
McRae
Stringer
Richards
English

Regardless I just think the argument is silly.

Like people act like we’ve recruited the same way for 20 years but in reality we’ve changed over and over in attempt to improve. Regardless of whether Trav becomes good or not, it’s just just lazy analysis to say…

‘Trav was never the right option… same old st kilda , stuffing up first rd picks again’

Anyways I look forward to Trav proving everyone wrong.

 

[Mav3rick]

played 4 VFL games actually.

I think the difference is that neither Trav nor Box will develop fast on the wing at AFL level. they'll either get sucked inside and mess up the structure or hold their width and not get much ball, neither good outcomes. whereas LOC has very good discipline and will stay in that spot, contest hard when it comes near him, and push down to help the defence as necessary.

like him or not, fat side winger is a pretty good role for him.

Trav and Box won't get much ball? If you're an O'Connell fan all power to you, I hope he becomes a gun but he genuinely never wins the ball on the outside, and on the rare occasion he finds it he does nothing with it.

Having both Stocker and O'Connell in the team was forced out of necessity, I don't see it happening much at all and maybe never again.

 

[kyrgios]

I don’t think he’s average tbh. I’ve been working on a model to work it out.

He drafted

Bont (pick of a lifetime)
McRae
Stringer
Richards
English

Regardless I just think the argument is silly.

Like people act like we’ve recruited the same way for 20 years but in reality we’ve changed over and over in attempt to improve. Regardless of whether Trav becomes good or not, it’s just just lazy analysis to say…

‘Trav was never the right option… same old st kilda , stuffing up first rd picks again’

Anyways I look forward to Trav proving everyone wrong.

there were some people that were not happy when we picked NAS
Trav is 19, 3 more years. Excited about Lancy boy.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Nothing is funnier that a group of supporters writing off kids before they even get a chance to get going.

Lenny Hayes

Lenny Hayes

Age

46

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186cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

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Last 5

D

22.5

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

11.0

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

5.0

5star

CL

5.2

5star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

0.4

3star

rates the kid but some of you know better.

"He has no AFL traits" cries the middle aged bloke who played 17 games in the Club 18's 25 years ago.

Never change fellas.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

there were some people that were not happy when we picked NAS
Trav is 19, 3 more years. Excited about Lancy boy.

Im happy Collard took a step forward and showed his elite field kicking skills when given an opportunity to play the halfback role.

He still needs to develop a contested game and start committing to all contests when its his turn to go. I think he needs to start showing that, otherwise he will end up just another player wanting to play touch footy which doesnt cut it.

He is not the biggest kid running around but that doesnt excuse him from body contact. I played with an indigineous lad about his size and he was hardest SOB you would ever come across. Its all about belief and technique, its nothing to do with size. No one expects him to be a wrecking ball just be prepared to consistently fully commit to physical contests.

 

[Remboy]

Nothing is funnier that a group of supporters writing off kids before they even get a chance to get going.

Lenny Hayes rates the kid but some of you know better.

"He has no AFL traits" cries the middle aged bloke who played 17 games in the Club 18's 25 years ago.

Never change fellas.

Personally, I don't know why the club releases any statements or does any press conferences. Between the list management experts, draft experts and body language experts we've pretty much got it all covered here.

 

[thekizzler]

Personally, I don't know why the club releases any statements or does any press conferences. Between the list management experts, draft experts and body language experts we've pretty much got it all covered here.

Don't forget the blokes/blokettes who predict the future