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Tell me you didn't watch either of them play. Elite skillful, hard, midfielder? Clayton Oliver. Marcus Bontempelli. Joel Selwood. Some guy called Judd. So was Sam Mitchell.

You can be a successful captain without winning a flag, too. I'd argue that Roger Merrett was very, very successful at Brisbane.

Yeah, I think there will be two unanimous conclusions here: 1) Trent Cotchin had a great career 2) OP is a dick.

Admittedly he looked cooked for a few years.

It’s not just that, though - because this is happening in every sport all over the world now. Look at soccer - Messi and Ronaldo were great for much longer than they had any right to be. The last couple of Ballon d’Or winners were in their early to mid thirties. Unheard of. Same with LeBron’s...

Traitor is pretty strong language for someone who won a Brownlow, two flags and played out his contract. Wasn’t as though he had a blood tie or lifetime promise.

He had a lot of reasons to leave. Money, of course. The captaincy - he wasn't going to ever be captain at Geelong. His relationship with Bomber was stuffed. He had lived with the Ablett name in that fishbowl called Geelong all his life. As ridiculous as it sounds now, one of the major knocks...

You know as well as I do that there are going to be plenty of footballers in each team on the gear

So you’re done with following AFL then?

If you are red hot favourites you would rather lose the prelim. If you are huge underdogs, no harm in the GF.

I agree, generally. Non members beware - the ticket email was very clear that the membership barcode holder is expected to be the user of the ticket.

Probably not an unreasonable or unrealistic threat tbh

Jesus, the guy is a club legend, his father was a club legend, and literally every player for the last decade has nominated their destination.

Only if you keep BT locked in his car all week.

Something tells me nobody is going to bleed tears for clubs that have shared 5 of the last 13 premierships.

Jesus ******* Christ, it's HodgePodge reborn.

If I had to pick between Jack Riewoldt and Fevola at their peak... well, if I was recruiting for a few seasons, of course I'd pick Riewoldt. But if I were recruiting to win one game, it's Fev any day of the week. Fev was naturally gifted in a way that Riewoldt just isn't. Unfortunately he just...

It's an interesting discussion, because J Riewoldt and Hawkins are probably at opposing ends of what a tall forward looks like in the modern era.

I think he's much more akin to John Longmire. Longmire was a good full-forward and noted goalkicker, but not quite in the top echelon - similar to Riewoldt, who's a very good footballer, but not quite the equivalent of Franklin/his cousin/Hawkins/Kennedy.

No, there's Josh Kennedy

It's a fingernail. Someone can't take a mobile phone photo.

Poor Zac is deserving of a lifetime achievement award here.

Belongs in the Bay mate

Well, I suppose I shouldn't be posting here... given that Jenkins hasn't kicked 8 goals against us across his entire career :D http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Josh_Jenkins.html

You know a meme has legs when you even enjoy the s**t ones.

True. I'm about to turn to Marngrook as soon as I finish this rather quaffable verdicchio. In the interim, I'm browsing Broadsheet while perusing my next retro furniture purchase.

Your Mum?

I don't know, I hear Carlton forwards tend to do rather well as soon as they leave Carlton

Remember when Denis Pagan used to make Lance Whitnall run laps by attaching a box of hotdogs to Ryan Houlihan? Those were the days.