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BT and Darcy to now commentate NRL games.

Why charge Reid at all then? Might as well as not charged him and let ASADA do the work as you suggest.

But again why would they if people of authority within the club say it is all fine?

Maybe he did do the legwork. Surely Reid would not sign off on it on a whim. If he did then you'd think the charges against him would have stuck.

But if that substance that was actually injected was not legal and you were told it was something else that is legal isn't that a mistake of law as well?

Wasn't it consent forms they signed, not waivers?

If you are right then that is inconsistent and silly. If you are in trouble even though you were told it was not banned when it was then why is it different if you are injected with something that isn't what you are told is being injected.

Like I said, just because the code says so doesn't make it right.

Why would you talk to those people if you had assurance from the club and its staff that ASADA had approved the supplements?

You can remain clean, or as clean as possible, without signing up to the WADA code. Just have your own anti-doping code which is stricter than WADA's. The AFL just wanted the Federal Government to pay for its new stadiums/stadium redevelopments hence it signed up. The AFL didn't sign up to...

I think The Reaper's point is that that is not relevant. If it was in your system, you have an unfair advantage. Do you agree with that point of view?

Why would they use a phone? To call ASADA? But if the qualified people at your club say it is all ASADA approved why bother?

In a theoretical sense, you may be right. In which case your club cheated in winning the 2006 flag - Cousins was on illicit drugs, so regardless as to whether they helped or not, it amounts to cheating. Or perhaps you should look at things in a practical sense - the drugs didn't help and the...

Yes because the players who supposedly took the drugs performed so much better than the rest of the comp and wouldn't have been able to function without them.

So does that cover instances where players are told they are being injected with something legal but it really is illegal?

The Government forced the AFL and NRL to sign up and in any case that doesn't make suspending players who were mislead and duped by the club/staff members of the club right.

If there is no room to move then no one would sign up to the WADA code surely.

Yes because WADA know it all and can't be wrong.

Really? How would the players know if what they were taking was illegal if the sport scientist, fitness coach and doctor tell you it is legal?

Because maybe the fault lies with the club and its staff not the players. Or even the AFL - they were in the US when Watson was asked that question on On The Couch and stayed quiet.

Who else would they go to? If you can't rely on the sport scientist and fitness coach to provide you with accurate information then it is a staff/club related matter which is why Essendon has been so heavily punished and players have not been banned.

Why would they call ASADA as a first point of call? That's a very serious thing to do and any player would only do that if they had some sort of proof that something wasn't right. Watson and McVeigh wanted clarification and they got it. If they were mislead by Dank/Robinson then it is a club...

See my post above your one, Watson did question the program initially, he didn't just 'roll up his sleeves'.

The players did question it, Watson and McVeigh early on in the supplement program wanted more advice and information as to what was going on so Dank and Robinson ran a presentation for the players. If they assured the players that all was safe and legal, why would they question it after that?

If what Bruce Reid did is so bad then he should've been charged. The point is, there are others more culpable.

Is this the same Bruce Reid that the AFL dropped all charges against?

Last time I checked, Neeld and McKenna were experienced assistants prior to taking the senior jobs at Melbourne and Gold Coast respectively, aren't ASADA taking a look at their supplement use as well? And was the Cronulla coach in 2011 a bloke with no prior coaching experience?

BT to recommence his 'how good is the weapon' comments.

Thanks for the info, you really know your stuff in this topic. In your opinion, are the Essendon players in trouble?

I never said it was impossible to ban them, I said a lack of positive drug tests may make it harder to.