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So coke or something like that?

The history books will always record them as systematic doping cheats. That stain is permanent. They have bounced back well though.

They won't. And no one cares any more.

I'm not sure everyone understands the definition of scapegoat: a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency.

I agree he that he apologised. In your quotes he apologies for what has happened. For what has been done wrong to the players. Not for his role in directly getting them banned. Not for trying to stop the team doc for meddling in his program. He only said that he could have done more, when he...

It's very sad but to pretend that his apologies werent heavily caveated is silly. Let's not try to re-write history to pretend that he did actually take full responsibility for his actions and the related outcomes, and that he apologised accordingly. It's probably not the thread for it so best...

Hope he is ok and he can sort out any issues he may have. Very sad to hear.

I think the afl will offer them picks 15 and 37 this year. With the proviso that they can fight it but the penalty may be bigger next year.

When multiple club employees and a player agree to breach the ASADA code together, I don't think anyone could argue that they aren't part of the 'the club'.

What a legend. Hopefully they now give it to the rightful winners.

I love the picture.

If there were prohibited substances on the labels they would have got done. So comparing this to cases where there were banned substances on the label isn't a reasonable comparison.

Think he will re-sign. Think the Bombers will be happy to pay him as much as they can.

This proves that Essendon are not guilty. /reverse straw man sarcastic mockery

Or you just award it to the non-cheat with the highest votes.

The tainted drug medal would be disposed of. Two flawlessly clean medals would then be produced for the winners.

If I won a Brownlow I'd be proud. I'm guessing Trent is no different.

Can you imagine if a winner rejected it on the night? No winner will ever reject it.

No Bomber will admit guilt until the last appeal has been rejected. They all know they are guilty, but they can't publicly admit it.

It's a really harsh punishment when s**t like this hits home. Hopefully it's a disincentive to any current players.

It's pretty ****ed up that he couldn't attend the wake.

I don't think the players conceived, designed and implemented a strategic doping regime. Just that they didn't question those who wanted to use s0 to the club's advantage. It's a strawman.

Dogs claim they have proof. I'm making an assumption that this is true.

The AFL were trying to help banned players even though they weren't allowed to. They've done their best to make sure the players are penalised as little as possible throughout this whole saga.

Why did the AFL approve it in the first place. Crazy stuff.

What is the reason for the march?

Consents forms 2.0?

McVeigh said it was just vitamins. It's well beyond trying to defend his comments as anything but lies.

The best outcome for the player would be to get full pay, and for that full pay not to be deducted from any compo payout. Doesn't sound like it's possible though.

Poor man's Tom Lamb.