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Glad to see the AFL have finally forced this drug cheat to hand back his medal.

You keep stating that Essendon have handed over all documents. I'm not so sure about that.... It doesn't sound like they have been very forthcoming. "Since leaving the club at the end of 2013 and after 15 months of requests, Hal still does not know what the injections contained. " His court...

He received injections offsite and onsite and Essendon can't tell him what it was FFS!! He has every right to take them to court to find out. To now seek costs from him is disgraceful by both the AFL and Essendon.

I'd hope all the clean players are giving it to these cheats every week!

Sorry if this has already been asked - I couldn't find it. Is this considered a "positive" test? Or does abnormal mean under the threshold but somewhat suspicious?

Yeah, I think he may be overplaying the psychological impact somewhat (which he shared with everyone for discussion), kids have been bullied about Football in schools for years. I still don't see how I am judging how he fathers his Children by having a difference of opinion on that? Apologies...

That is pretty poor if a Teacher is joining in. Do you think it's an isolated incident with this individual or common across schools? Where did I judge someone on how they parent their kids? Certainly wasn't my intention. I'd be curious to know what I said that gave that impression.

Seriously? I can tell you I experienced this first hand as a Fitzroy supporter going through school in the 90's. The difference being my club did actually Collapse - The verbal attacks before and after from some of the kids was relentless. Turned out just fine, if anything it taught me to have...

When you put it like that it does sound harsh. Really though - It's not that hard to check the medication you are taking and then follow the rules. I imagine Crowley is on a pretty decent salary. Surely enough to justify following a simple compliance measure such as checking medication on a...

3 Judges with no vested interest in a "Not Guilty" verdict may treat & view evidence differently. I don't think they will buy the "Dog Ate My Homework" excuse.

I'm not convinced that WADA will win this. I am pleased to see that an independent tribunal with no vested interest in a Not Guilty verdict will be reviewing the case. The prospects of getting to the truth have increased quite considerably IMO.

Hird was trying to suppress the truth. WADA are trying to uncover it. Most people here want the truth - Does that help explain things?

"What can everyone else do to make sure we don't cheat again?"

I can confirm this is not correct. Walked out halfway through a shift at Coles when I was younger, was working at Target a few weeks later. Would be different at a CEO / Professional level but can happen. Onus should be on the employer, in this case Essendon knew what they were getting. They...

I think the OP is onto something here. Do we still have Google detectives to investigate this further?

Would be good to have an independent tribunal with no vested interest in a not guilty verdict review the case. Probably won't happen though.

C'mon mate you won. Time to end the charade.

What a joke. Really not much point saying anything else at this point

Yeah that is what I am referring to. Their statements carried significantly less weight once they refused to attend court, yeah?

At the time weren't they of the belief that Charters and Alavi's statements would be signed off and used at the tribunal? I recall reading that not having these statements significantly weakened the case? Whatever made Alavi & Charter stop talking - Was pretty foolish for ASADA to be so...

I'm not really sure what to make of your sarcastic reply - I suspect you know that is not what I was saying. I'm not suggesting they have to prove they didn't do it - What I'm saying is that from a compliance perspective clubs must be able to show records of everything the players has taken. If...

Next time a club is being investigated and can't produce comprehensive medical records they should be whacked hard by ASADA. One thing this case has shown is how easy it is to get away with doping just by losing a few records. This is a professional sport and medicos / coaches should act like...

Releasing the full truth would be even less desirable than suspending 34 players. Not going to happen.

I do recall this being mentioned and quite a lot of people queried the accuracy of the source. Was this something BF took from the interim report?

Well if the evidence wasn't there then good grief... What the hell have ASADA been doing for 2 years? I am quite surprised at this, was expecting a guilty verdict with a very soft penalty given some of the fairly incriminating evidence that was leaked. I think many still think they probably...

I used to think the Cult of James Hird was a bit of a laugh but it's become apparent there's actually a very real danger out there.

A huge amount of government money and resources have been invested into catching players using AOD & TB4. While it's known there is a much greater safety problem out there which is Ice. While the ASADA investigation into Essendon is completely necessary it does at least raise an interesting...

Yeah, was more looking at the issue as a whole rather than specifically ASADA's role. Ice will destroy many more young footballers lives than AOD or TB4.

From a Health & Safety perspective he is probably right. Having seen first hand how quickly Ice can change & destroy a young persons life I have no doubt this drug will have a far greater negative impact than TB4 or AOD in the years to come. Not sure how that equals Essendon being persecuted...

Honestly, I wouldn't bother with the BS duty of care argument either, it's not even worth a reply. The duty of care of those players was on the EFC, anything else is just trying to divert the blame.