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How is this a story? Surely Essendons behaviour at the time suggested they knew that, at best, they were in a very murky grey area they had been warned to avoid, and at worst were systemically and deliberately breaching the WADA code on a club wide level. You don't source supplements...

Nah (nah). The B sample wouldve been available pretty quickly and if it was clear, or negligible, this would have been thrown out right there. I think his lawyer has been able to successfully argue that there were mitigating factors in his positive test, including that a positive cocaine result...

He tested positive on gameday. No report that he used on gameday. It may not be relevant to ASADA's finding of guilt - but does make a big difference to the context of the story.

I doubt it is - depending on his response. If the rumours are true, I highly doubt ASADA give him the full 4 years. At this early stage (with very little info) I would guess that 2 years is most likely. If that is the case he will be 22/3 at the end of the suspension/start of 2021 season. At...

No they act on behalf of the players. The way the AFLPA see it is, is that the players have voluntarily agreed to illicit drugs testing. (Remebering that this has nothing to do with ASADA). They would publicly say that they recognise illicit drugs are a problem and they want to be on board with...

And you realise that is exactly what Collingwood, more loudly than any other club, has been asking for? Stop trying to shout down the pies as the bad guys here. Murray ****ed up and deserves whatever punishment ASADA hands down. His actions are not the clubs responsibility.

Sorry you're contradicting yourself a bit. 1. You are suggesting that players wouldn't use cocaine because of the risk of a positive test, but would use ice - when methamphetamines stays in your system longer, the effects last longer, and the withdrawal is longer. The reason players (amongst a...

"Was the best game the kid played"??? Lol. It was probably one of his worst, in terms of both attacking the running lanes, and disposing of it efficiently. He had his equal most clangers for the year, and has definitely been taken down a notch (probably by opposition scouting) than how he...

Did Gil actually do that? What an absolute *******. Your reporter leaked the news, against ASADA policies. You forced the club to respond you dickhead.

They definitely would test for it. The timing of it though makes it one that can be hard to "catch" - which is exactly why it is so rife amongst athletes/fifo workers/truckies and really any industry that gets tested (assuming you have the $ to pay for it)

Firstly no-one knows if it was cocaine, it is just the assumption around here and everyone has run with it. (To be clear again - ASADA do not publicly report the result or the substance unless the player discloses it himself... it sounds very dodgy that Barrett has got this information and...

No. The club doctor gets informed at either strike 1 or 2, but the club definitely dont know after the 1st strike. (Im not even sure if they do after the second). It is only after the 3rd strike that it becomes public. That is exactly what Collingwood had asked for a few years ago - that...

ASADA rules (assuming they are in line with USADA) are very clear that they do not release public information at the early stages, until the athlete themselves wish to disclose the positive test. Collingwood absolutely did the right thing by not breaching Murray's rights of confidentiality (if...

I disagree. The txt messages/emails that were released suggested very clearly that Essendon, at a minimum, knew they were treading a very fine line in a very shady area (wasn't there an email that told them clearly to not go down that path), as was the subvertedness of their program, and that...

Re: Murray - I think ASADA is very clear about the timing of samples. If he has tested positive on gameday, it won't get him off by claiming he something was the night before, but it might make his "story" more palatable (as would other circumstances which we havent heard of). The Clen one is...

But isn't that the club penalty? Losing 2 players for the duration of the suspensions. (Or longer if you delist them - which would likely happen if its a 4yr ban) Keefe was a decent KPD at a time when we were pretty desperate for one, and Thomas has shown his quality this year. There is no...

Again - tell me what the club could have done? This is not a club injecting him with something. There is no suggestion that the club could have known he was taking something. Are you suggesting thay clubs should do their own drug testing in addition to both ASADA AND the AFL? (good luck...

Are you suggesting the club knew before ASADA or the AFL did? Now if the guy is clearly intoxicated on gameday, then yes he should be pulled, but if that's not the case I'm not sure what you're suggesting the club could have, or should have, done.

It could well have been both. Going from what I know from USADA (and I assume ASADA is very similar) they have a strict policy of not making any public statements at this early stage unless the athlete themselves wish to make it public. All they would do is inform the organisation (in this case...

You do realise thats exactly what Collingwood did with Keefe and Thomas? Both were rookied so that we had the first option to keep them once they suspension was done (taking up 2 rookie list spots, for 2 years, with ineligible players) - if they were delisted then they would have to come...

Yeah let's not go there - especially given that Essendon fans are the first to cry foul when this is brought up, so why the * would you raise it in this thread? There is a very big difference between individual guys taking an illicit drug (which is the report for all 3 Collingwood players)...

From an on-feild pov it shows teams can easily handle a year or two of bottoming out and bounce back better for it. In Essendons case there were added bonuses of being able to tank with no expectations at all from the fans, having free hits with a bunch of youngsters, rookies and otherwise...

THIS. I don't get how some people on this board don't get this simple fact. Many opposition supporters get it - many have openly stated how pissed off they would be if their club was treated by the media the same way that Collingwood has here. But some keep arguing that somehow Collingwood...

Except how much of the discussion is about the actual result? It is not news that AFL players use illicit substances - that is not a story, and not what is being discussed. The majority of this thread is about a single club being targeted when they are not the worst offender - that is the real...

No - very, very different. The PED Policy involves the AFL, as a competition, signing up to WADA and ASADA codes. The players and AFLPA have absolutely no say in it. These are codes that every sporting competition in this country must follow. (or rather face loss of government support if they...

Also - can the thread title be changed to "AFL Drug Problem" to accurately represent the figures (where Collingwood wasnt the 'worst' team) rather than just parrot a clickbait headline.

You realise Eddie has for years been asking for Clubs to get these results, and has been wanting the clubs and AFL to be on the front foot about. Our club also responded quickly and transparently to the Keefe and Thomas saga. There is no evidence at all the club has tried to brush anything like...

Except I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. The players clearly did something wrong. They can't feign innocence, because at any point they could've refused to comply or have reported what was happening. They deserve their bans. But, that's not to say they can't also sue the club for...

^I think that was me. To think this could've all been over and done with 2 years ago if the club and players just copped that they'd done the wrong thing.

I think we can all agree that they have largely been a victim to the "system"... although that doesn't excuse them for allowing it to happen. They clearly should've known something wasn't kosher, and could've not complied, or reported it, at any stage. Thats not to say that they also then don't...