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But didnt they take the good thymosin?

Obviously "understanding insurance claims 101" isnt a component of an international business course.

Just another thing he didnt see coming. Foresight aint the blokes strong suit.

One has been suggested as inadvertant use by players taking illicit substances and the other was a club wide injection program with a focus on performance enhancement. One involves 2 players and came about in their personal time, the other involves 34 players (and multiple club officials) and...

By having harsh penalties, the league and ASADA are able to set an example. Even if these players had these substances inadvertantly, they still were breaching AFL code on illicit drug use. Maybe a harsh penalty will force others to take note.

Is it too simple to suggest that the "additional corroborating evidence" in this case would be the consent forms that state the same substance as another player (assuming the connection can be made with one player based on testimony)

Hate to double post - and this may belong in the "coincidence thread", but heres some exerpts from the AFL interim report - you can make up your own mind: AFL interim report charge sheet point 27 - 32: "In late May 2012 Dank discovered that the Thymosin he had been providing the players...

I posted this on the Carlton ASADA thread yesterday....it gives context to the existence of a spreadsheet that correlates with Dank backdating letters from Alavi after he had realised they had been administering a banned substance (TB4) and tried to establish a workaround: AFL interim report...

The same paradox as - we dont know what the players received, but are confident that it wasnt anything illicit or illegal.

"the good thymosin"

Word from the club is that he's pinching himself - thinking this is all just a bad dream.

AFL should send a couple qualified umpires to the training session, just in case a game breaks out......

Hopefully they've called down champion data so we can get a feel for who the best competitive trainer is

"I take full reposnsibility"

Cop out. A practice match by any other name is still a practice match

Of course they should. Planning to cheat > Cheating by accident That being said - both outcomes should result in additional punishment because both involve the club cheating......its kinda like the murder/manslaughter idea. One has a larger punishment because one has intent.

The other benefit to extra national draft picks are there will be a larger pool of experienced players with AFL games under their belt - who already know the Essendon systems. If they have some players leave as FA and get second rounders, they may be able to use these on more mature players who...

Nah that's crap. I wouldnt be unhappy to see Essendon struggle through this (cheats should never get off easy), but rookie draft turns this from a fair penalty into a very harsh one. If its tied to their pick, and all their picks have been pushed to the end of round - the best they'll get for...

Of all the options - surely its a preferred outcome? If the players still love the club, then they won't want to leave anyway, so theres nothing to worry about.

Surely the single biggest (and most equitable) penalty is to allow all suspended players to be free agents at the end of the year their suspension ends. Would be beneficial as a punishment for multiple reasons: - Takes the focus away from Essendon as the drug cheating players will be spread...

I would have thought as much, however I dont think many contracts would have a clause specifically relating to player suspensions (unless they are player specific endorsements). All i'm suggesting is that if the sponsers don't have a get out clause written into their original contract....that...

In my opinion, the club has been punished for the governance issues, and the further penalties at a club level should be: - 18th for draft purposes in 2015 - All suspended players are unrestricted free agents at the end of the season (so that they may move to another club if they are unhappy -...

An auditor will never say everything is all good, they will only ever say - "we found nothing to suggest anything was wrong"

Mel Gibson & Nicholas Cage come to mind

Assuming its only a casual position or short term contract and you dont have to sign on for the whole season.

Thats not really a lot of money for people with other commitments. Ex-AFL players joining state leagues would have likely already taken other job opportunities - be it full time work or study - so a player is supposed to re-locate from SA for $8k and some match payments. Tell em they're dreamin.

Not necessarily. Retired players yes, but guys like Brock McLean would still be a reasonable contributor to a side that had no-one. If they can find enough guys like that from the last couple of years, they should be able to field a reasonably strong squad. Even more-so if they had all available...

Its so they can be seen to have a duty of care to players. AFL players would be aware of the conditioning and fitness requirements, where some VFL listed players may not be ready.

I'm not suggesting that they be specifically named, but that the club should not get additional concessions for players who are not playing for no specific personal reason.

Ease up on the double negatives. I'm not sure that anonimity in these cases is the right thing to do. At the end of the day, people arent going to specifically boo Heppell, they'll be booing your club in general. Essendon supporters didnt care much for anonimity when trying to establish who...