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I think the idea is to come to a settlement at the end of this year. See what happens I suppose.

Issue is he is basically on indefinte 'sick leave'. Much like a LTI player, except his injury/illness is mental.

Doesn't mean it can't be re-negotiated to suit a new club. Still the same amount of money over the term of the deal. Would you expect to be paying much less than the reported $600-$700K (Whatever it is. IMO contract figures are always inflated in the media to make for better reading)

I'm not sure he really needs it to be honest. I reckon he more than holds his own going forward.

Out of interest, which list managers have said this?

Luke Ball style. Who's going to have the balls to select him if he refuses interviews, medicals etc

I don't think there's any doubt that we've made some blues. I think there's some merit on your comments about our list management. Some of that is on the previous manager and I suspect we are playing catch up trying to right some previous wrongs. Time will tell with the new Guy.

He signed a new 2 year deal at the end of his first year. He has only remained on the rookie list because we were able to keep $80K of his salary out of the TPP. If he gets a $100K increase, it will effect us by adding $180K to our TPP as he now needs to be aded to the main list. Believe what...

That figure of $1M over 3 was only bought up as an example on our board to show that if he was offered $1.5M over 3 from someone else, how much of a significant difference it would be. The only thing I have read in the media about this is that his pay increase being described as "modest". He's...

He's not been dicked around at all. He's been on the rookie list, but its not like he's been paid a rookie wage

I'm hoping that we aren't ready to part with him just yet. Despite his recent form, I'm sure there would be plenty interested.

Not sure its an attitude thing. Kid just looked completely zapped of confidence. I read it somewhere else, but he looks like a batsman who's going out there after a string of ducks and is secong guessing everything. I expect he'll come good.

He won't be getting a big pay rise. A small one maybe. He's already getting paid very well. Moore will be the one who gets the bigger increase. It's not like we have to find $800K for the each of them. They're already earning the best part of that

To be fair, didn't his own manager say something along the lines of "we'll be meeting with clubs next week and as he doesn't have a preference of where he plays, whoever gives us the best offer will get him" Paraphrasing but i'm sure it was something along those lines. Perhaps he's not so...

No doubt he's the better tap ruckman.

Fair enough. I'm sure the clubs do try and steer them in their preferred direction, but it seems these days that players just say I wanna go there, and they get there. You win some and lose some. Collingwood have lost a couple and look like losing another top 10 pick this year. Freeman will...

And the rules allow for this?

That's not even qualifying for midget status. An insect perhaps;)

Lachie Henderson. That went well for him didn't it. Its little wonder these guys need to shut their mouth or tell porkie pies all season if they are planning on leaving.

Off topic a bit here, but you used to hear references to the 'wide open spaces of Subi'. Over the last few weeks all i've heard is how skinny the ground is, making it easier to employ 'the web'. The MCG was going to be the downfall of the "Web" because its so much wider. Is Subi indeed a...

True. But there are kids like Tim O'Brien who have been there 3 years or so and don't even look like breaking into the team. At some stage opportunity to play must become an issue. Hallahan left last year. It will happen with others.

I wouldn't pay it either, but someone will. Or close to it. I just doubt that Collingwood could afford him on top of all these other supposed deals.

And the salary cap space. Doesn't he want $700K? So does Treloar. Thats a lot of cash to find. Then Aish as well? I'd be surprised if we could manage all that.

9,16 and another player wasn't it?

Are you suggesting that to get Dylan Shiel, Collingwood need to thrown in Dayne Beams plus something else??

Where has Raso been playing? I can't see how an AFL listed player is permitted to play school or TAC footy. Surely it must be VFL?

Thats what I thought.

Has he signed yet, or just said he's going to?

1 pick in the PSD. Plus top up rookie list.

Someone else may be able to confirm, but didn't he play a fair bit with Caulfield Grammar as well