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I can accept being safe with the name, i mean they almost had to, and maybe even the colours, but to trot out the state jumper as well makes for a deeply uninspiring triumvirate of choices

Devils make sense, was hoping they'd do something different with the colours but just having the SOO jumper is pathetic

If you're after an actual discussion you might want to try addressing your point in a slightly more agreeable fashion.

I'm still not sure how you being from Launceston had any relevance to the sentence you replied to, but whatever.

Do you think that Hobart is the be-all and end-all of Tasmania like the mainland capitals are of their respective states?

and?

One of the great challenges to a Tasmanian team in the AFL is the fact that the population is small and widely dispersed, and therefore the team bid really needed to get everyone on board, ie people from all areas of the state, and spending this much money on a stadium in Hobart is exactly how...

It seemed to become a necessary part of the bid out of nowhere though, and I think it needed far more discussion before becoming locked in. A lot of people clearly think we've been railroaded into it without anyone getting much of a say, hence the current backlash.

If we were given a team and then left to decide for ourselves what sort of stadium we wanted we would have worked it out, instead we've had this specific stadium foisted upon us and people are rightly questioning why it has to be this one at that eye-watering cost. It's almost as if if was...

You do recall that my original reply was to a clip of someone comparing it to Adelaide, don't you? Why are paying the same price for a vastly smaller market? And also, once something is built it kind of ends the argument, doesn't it? Why would anyone continue wasting their time carrying on...

Most of the people outside of Hobart aren't going to drive to Hobart to go to the footy. Fine, but the example of the mainland capitals and their stadiums really has limited relevance to Hobart and Tasmania. What does a city the size of Hobart usually spend on a stadium?

The population distribution in this state is unique in Australia. That's a fact. Just because the stadium renovation (for an existing demand from two AFL teams and not half of one that doesn't even exist yet like Hobart, not to mention the guaranteed international cricket) has been successful...

Well clearly, if you think the bloke in that clip makes any sense. Concentrating resources like that will work in Adelaide but necessarily in Hobart. I think that's an important point that he didn't seem to grasp.

I agree absolutely about pokies, I hate them and think it's practically criminal the way they're so ubiquitous, but we're not talking about pokie revenue here, are we?

Like I said in the other thread, Adelaide is different from Hobart and what works for Adelaide/South Australia won't necessarily work for Hobart/Tasmania. That's just a mainlander not being fully across how things are in Tasmania, and how much less of a proportion of Tasmania's population...

So it is not public infrastructure.

Is MONA public infrastructure?

Why should I make your argument for you? You tell me why the stadium isn't a waste of money.

Could you could give me a rundown on it? This is a discussion forum after all.

Throw a billion dollars into the health system and it will be eaten up within a few weeks with no real long term benefits? Really? Also Hobart will still miss out on what the mainland has had for years because it doesn't even make up half the population of the most lightly populated state...

Well that sounds bloody marvellous, but I'm still not sure why we need to drop 750 mil (which will no doubt blow out to over a billion) on it. I've received no shortage of personal insults and sweeping blue sky statements when asking for clarification on this point, but very little actual...

Being for the stadium is the populist position, being against is simply due to not wanting to waste money.

Or maybe it's just a case of a Lib government reading the electoral tea leaves and pulling the biggest populist string they can find in the hope it will help see them across the line at the next election. And also how is this a 'left wing' thing, has the right all of a sudden become the home of...

All that might be true, but a billion dollar stadium isn't the only solution.

That's not a very good reason.

Well the Hurricanes are explicitly a Hobart team and the JackJumpers don't play anywhere near enough games outside of Hobart to be considered anything but a Hobart team. The AFL team has to be a state team in more than just name.

Why does it have to be predominantly Hobart based?

No doubt if the AFL team ends up a Hobart team like the other two then crowds will be lower in Launceston, but I'm hoping that sense will prevail and that won't happen. Why would you ignore half the state?

There is no reason why Utas Stadium shouldn't host at least as many games as Hobart. It's getting upgraded, it already get bigger crowds than Hobart and has had AFL footy for a decade longer. Unless of course they need to justify the enormous cost of a new stadium. That might be a reason.

I mean the AFL insisted on this stadium, and no one was given any alternatives. It just got railroaded through as if it wasn't possible for a team without it, despite no one ever mentioning anything of the sort until relatively recently. Look at the way you've described those who dared to...