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  1. JayJ20

    Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

    How can you attain martyrdom by wilfully killing yourself? It's contradictory. And there are many different types of martyrs. "Innocence" isn't subjective. It's very clearly defined. It's not a matter of a difference of opinion. It doesn't matter what they believe they are doing. If it...
  2. JayJ20

    Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

    There's no point continuing this conversation with someone that has little knowledge of what they're talking about. You either don't know the definition of science or you don't understand the method of interpretation. It's clearly both. There's literally volumes of books authored by Scholars...
  3. JayJ20

    Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

    Yes it is a science. Definition of science: a systematically organised body of knowledge on a particular subject. Interpreting the Qur'an in its entirety is a science that requires extensive knowledge which includes knowledge of Arabic language. It literally fits the definition of science. Who...
  4. JayJ20

    Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

    It's not a false equivalence because that's what it actually looks like to anyone with even basic Islamic knowledge. How many anti-vaxxers quote "scientific studies" to further their agenda? Plenty. Doesn't mean they are correctly following true scientific methodology because there's a...
  5. JayJ20

    Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

    If they were able to influence 1.6 billion people, then the whole world would be destroyed. Since no one pays attention to them, they make outlandish claims and do outlandish things like attention seekers do. Doesn't mean they have influence over us. Given there's a large contingent of...
  6. JayJ20

    Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

    Saying that the so-called ISIS and other extremist groups are motivated by Islamic doctrine is like saying anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers are inspired by science. What they do is quite literally the opposite of what is taught according to the Islamic Law. If you knew Arabic and understood the...
  7. JayJ20

    Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

    It's still the minority of a major group. What's 20,000 members compared to over 1.6 billion Muslim people worldwide?
  8. JayJ20

    Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

    The issue of extremism is far more political than you realise. Anyone with even basic Islamic knowledge can easily determine that. Isn't suicide bombing to kill innocent people what they're known for? Well Islamically, killing unjustly is the second biggest sin you can ever do. Suicide is...
  9. JayJ20

    Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

    That tells me you know close to nothing about Islam. You're quoting the actions of an extremist sect that makes up less than 1% of the entire Muslim population. If you dive into their beliefs and practices, this particular sect aren't considered Muslims by Islamic Law. Imagine using the...
  10. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    Alright, I’ll use sound reasoning rather than logic. Regardless of what you want to say, the context in which I provided my post is very clear. You know very well that logic can colloquially be used in the context I used it, but I'll concede that point and use sound reasoning instead. You want...
  11. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    I’ve studied science at a tertiary level so I know why my position on science is the way it is. A scientific hypothesis must be falsifiable. If it isn’t able to be tested, then it falls outside of the realm of science. This means that it’s incredibly limited because something that cannot be...
  12. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    Hang on hang on. When did I use deduction in the context that you used? When did I say the logical deduction I’m speaking about has to meet your scientific definition of what deduction means? It’s already very clear that I do not take your ideology as fact. what you’re doing is applying YOUR...
  13. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    My argument was never that everything in existence is created. That obviously goes against the fundamentals of what I believe. Ok let me use other words. All created things are created. Everything with a beginning is created. All things created must have a Creator, whether these creations are...
  14. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    No. You didn't comprehend what I said. I said, comes INTO existence, which means everything that didn't exist and then was brought into existence. We believe that the Creator existed without a beginning and doesn't need a creator based on:
  15. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    I said everything that COMES to existence requires a Creator. The Creator of everything doesn't come into existence. He already exists without a beginning.
  16. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    Again, the ancestors of your society believed that the Earth was flat. We never believed that the earth was flat.
  17. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    Here is the answer:
  18. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    That's because it's impossible for the Creator of everything to have a creator. If you say that the Creator has a creator, then it leads to a series of events called infinite regress. I'll use this term in the following context: If I tell you that I'll give you a million dollars, but I make...
  19. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    You look at that from the perspective of your history and your people. We never believed in a separate God for thunder. You don't know what societies other than your own believed. Plus, going by this thread, it sounds like atheists fill gaps in knowledge with "natural forces" without being able...
  20. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    So you're still saying that the 12 apostles take their current form because of the sea eroding the base and cliff around them. There's still a cause and you STILL looked for a cause to explain how the 12 apostles reached their current state. You didn't say "look what nothing did". You say "look...
  21. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    Did you they actually see the particle though?
  22. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    Creating something doesn't necessitate a need. We say that God existed without a beginning WITHOUT needing the creations. And after creating the creations, He still IS as He always WAS. He still doesn't need the creations. God does whatever He Willed and His Will isn't like the whims of a human...
  23. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    Atheism defies the simplest of logics as I mentioned here:
  24. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    I can justify it and It's definitely not for the same reasons. For christianity, some reasons as to why it doesn't make logical sense is as I mentioned in this post: Moreover, they believe in a God that has anthropomorphic features like body parts, containment in space and directions. They...
  25. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    The scriptures Christians rely on was perverted from his original teachings. Christians themselves admit it was tampered with. Jesus spoke Aramiac and NONE of the available scriptures christians rely on is in Aramaic. He never said he was the son of God. It's impossible for God to have a son...
  26. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    Well I’m not a Christian. I’m Muslim. Everything I mentioned is from the perspective of Islam not Christianity because our belief system is very different.
  27. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    I have already told you that God doesn't need our praise. It goes against the whole principle of distinguishing between the Creator and the creation. Being in need of something is a weakness. In fact, saying God is in need of His creations negates the status of Godhood as God existed eternally...
  28. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    I believe the Christian belief doesn't make logical sense just as atheism doesn't make any logical sense. There can only be one truth. We believe in Jesus, but as a Prophet. We say following the path of Jesus is correct, but we don't worship Jesus. That's why we say that Christians don't follow...
  29. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    Again, I'll be speaking from an Islamic perspective because Christianity is very different to Islam in many aspects. We supplicate because WE do not know what will happen. If my supplication is the reason why something has been granted, then God Knows that I was always going to make that...
  30. JayJ20

    Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

    And I don't understand atheist. Predictability (or lack therefore) is an irrelevant argument when discussing not only the existence of God, but the reasoning for supplicating.
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