Anyone like breaks?

[passthebottle]

Just curios if anyone here loves breaks.
Have been listening to the latest by Krafty Kuts yeah it came out last year but i cant stop listening to it has some damn fine funky tunes on it.
Anything else people have been listening to that is worth a spin singles or albums?

 

[gPhonque]

Hell yes!

Been getting into breaks heaps the past few weeks.... spent a couple of hundred bucks on breaks vinyl just in the past week....

Stuff I'm getting into (some of these are old, some new)....

Youthful Implants - Thinking Of You
Introspective - Fatal Attraction / Inside
Robosapiens - New World Order / The Truth
Noisia - Gutterpump (more housey but still wicked)
Circuit Breaker - Phonque (nice title )
Random Source - Face Like A Robot
Drumattic Twins - Hyperspeed / 333
Nubreed - The Thing / Festa
Solar Chrome - Nebula / Many Machines
Diverted - Annihilating Rhythms / Fing
Maccaba Hi-Fi - Kind Of Magic (Circuit Breaker & Tosh Remix)
Precision Cuts - Hartbreaks / Binson
Hustle Athletics (Noisia) - Fearless Funk / San Francisco / Lekker / Feel For You (2 breaks tunes and 2 house tunes)

Picks of the bunch being Nubreed (aussies tearing it up!), Circuit Breaker, Random Source, Robosapiens, and Noisia stuff.

The Nubreed one in particular is ****ing awesome.

 

[Roddy]

Lead breaks?? Yep, love em, but there's another thread for that atm....

 

[passthebottle]

Hell yes!

Been getting into breaks heaps the past few weeks.... spent a couple of hundred bucks on breaks vinyl just in the past week....

Stuff I'm getting into (some of these are old, some new)....

Youthful Implants - Thinking Of You
Introspective - Fatal Attraction / Inside
Robosapiens - New World Order / The Truth
Noisia - Gutterpump (more housey but still wicked)
Circuit Breaker - Phonque (nice title )
Random Source - Face Like A Robot
Drumattic Twins - Hyperspeed / 333
Nubreed - The Thing / Festa
Solar Chrome - Nebula / Many Machines
Diverted - Annihilating Rhythms / Fing
Maccaba Hi-Fi - Kind Of Magic (Circuit Breaker & Tosh Remix)
Precision Cuts - Hartbreaks / Binson
Hustle Athletics (Noisia) - Fearless Funk / San Francisco / Lekker / Feel For You (2 breaks tunes and 2 house tunes)

Picks of the bunch being Nubreed (aussies tearing it up!), Circuit Breaker, Random Source, Robosapiens, and Noisia stuff.

The Nubreed one in particular is ****ing awesome.

Nubreed do rip it up!!
If you like the aussie stuff how about Dopamine ,Bass Kleph and who i saw live a month back Fdel.
I am not a DJ and i dont have any vinyl. I have Noisia ,Drummatic and the Nubreed stuff so i will have to check out the rest. April will be cool i am off to see General Midi and Rennie Pilgrem

 

[passthebottle]

Lead breaks?? Yep, love em, but there's another thread for that atm....

No. I am talking about Breakbeat the best style of electronic music.

 

[gPhonque]

No. I am talking about Breakbeat the best style of electronic music.

After drum & bass anyway...

 

[Roddy]

No. I am talking about Breakbeat the best style of electronic music.

Wrong board. This is a 'music' board. Ask the mods to create a 'fake music' board....

 

[TheVideoMan]

No. I am talking about Breakbeat the best style of electronic music.

you mean the genre that was created from one drum break and then re used over and over again by djays and then eventually claimed as an original beat?

Do a search for "Amen Break" on youtube.

 

[The_Eagles]

I love breaks tunes 2001-04


but overall dnb is better




my 2c

 

[passthebottle]

Wrong board. This is a 'music' board. Ask the mods to create a 'fake music' board....

Run along now, doesn't concern you.

 

[passthebottle]

you mean the genre that was created from one drum break and then re used over and over again by djays and then eventually claimed as an original beat?

Do a search for "Amen Break" on youtube.

Thanks for that.
Now would you not think that someone who likes a certain type of music might just know the background of it?

 

[gPhonque]

I know it's pointless to post this, because you can't reason with people who have the intelligence of a brick wall, but anyway....

What is it that makes "live" music (whatever that may be in these days of digital manipulation, autotune, sound replacer etc) so much better than "electronic" music?

Sequencers and things are just more tools that can be used to create music.

Sure - anybody can install a simple program like Reason and make a simple drum beat in 2 minutes.....

....just as anybody can pick up some drum sticks and play a simple drum beat in 2 minutes....

...but how good are those drum beats going to be?

Drumming, in most cases, takes years of learning and practicing to become good at. Sometimes, if people are naturally blessed with a wonderful sense of rhythm, it can come in a very short time.

Drum programming/sequencing/chopping/arranging can also take people years to learn and become GOOD at as well. It is no different. In fact, there are far more skills involved in programming drums than there are in playing a drum kit. (not saying they're easier or harder, but just different skill sets.) You must have a good knowledge of engineering for a start.... (completely irrelevant to a drummer, apart from maybe tuning your drums.... but then the amount of drummers who DON'T know how to tune their drums is staggering.... and a bit sad really!) .....EQ, compression, sidechaining, layering, slicing (audio editing), understanding of phase (etc etc) are all essential skills when it comes to producing breakbeat drums. And again, anybody can do these things badly, but to do them well, to know WHEN and EXACTLY HOW to do them, takes years of learning and practice until you get to the point where you naturally KNOW that "what I'm looking for here is to sidechain the kick and snare drums to the compressor on my percussion track so that I get that pumping percussion effect I'm looking for." (just one very simple example of a common production technique)

And then it takes knowledge and skill (and practice) to know exactly HOW to set that compressor as well.

To write off electronic music as "fake" music simply because you don't understand anything about it is extreme ignorance. Plain and simple.

Our resident drummer on this board Carlos, who I knew well before BigFooty ever existed (and I hope he doesn't mind me using him as an example!) is a great player who I've even jammed with in the distant past on a couple of occasions.... but I'm guessing that if I asked him to program a drum beat for me, it would sound like crap.

(if you're reading this Carlos, correct me if i'm wrong to use you as an example!.... you may be a drum programming/engineering whiz these days for all I know...! )

Pattern-wise, he'd probably program something fairly realistic, but even then, when you're dealing with samples or drum synths/samplers, there's far more involved in it than simply knowing how a drum beat goes. EQ wise, he probably wouldn't have much of a clue of how to approach cleaning up those drums and making them sparkle, or making them fat, or making them however it is you want them. Compression? Would he know how to really make that snare drum crack, or bring out the detail in those overhead or room mics up properly? Would he know which particular model compressor or EQ is likely to do the jobs best? Or which microphone to choose, and exactly where to place it?

I doubt it, on all counts.

In fact, how many drummers have ever engineered any kind of drum sounds, live OR in a studio?

They are all different skill sets, but ALL related to music.

And we haven't even got to bass yet. (let alone everything else)

The thing with electronic music (and all music/sound engineering) is that every tweak of an EQ, or a compressor, or a chorus/phaser/flanger effect, or a stereo imaging effect (etc etc etc - the list goes on and on).... every sample selection.... absolutely every detail of every sound is basically "committed to tape."

The end listener will be hearing the sum total of all those little tweaks.

As you can see, there's quite a bit more involved in any kind of music/sound production than there is in hitting some drums in time with a good groove and feel. Again, I'm not saying it's any easier of harder, but just different skill sets involved..... but they ALL relate to music at the end of the day.

You could apply everything I've said here to sound engineers as well, both in a live setting and a studio setting. (both involve different skill sets themselves!) There is an art and a whole lot of knowledge and skills involved in both live and studio engineering......things that many "musicians" (being the guy strumming those chords, or the dude hitting those drums) have absolutely no idea about.

And it is no different in the case of electronic music production.

To write off electronic music as "fake music" simply because you don't understand or have any real idea about what's involved in making it is, as I said, extremely ignorant, and something that any person who truly understand what's involved in ALL ASPECTS of music would never ever say.

By the way, I do feel as though I can comment on this subject because, unlike probably 99.9% of people on this board (maybe even all?), I've been writing/recording/producing/engineering/playing (live and studio) music professionally for over a decade now..... everything from recording jazz bands, to playing in jazz bands, to creating breakbeat, to composing orchestral scores, to recording bands of various genres, to playing various instruments in bands of various genres........ to just about everything in between....

...and I can assure you that creating GOOD breakbeat music can be as hard as any of those things.

Somehow, I very much doubt that Roddy or TheVideoMan have done any of the things I mentioned, other than maybe play in a rock band....... maybe.

g.

 

[Roddy]

Have never said there's no skill involved in making electronic music. There no doubt is, but it simply isn't real musical skill. Electronic music fans/performers can bleat about it all day long, but the simple fact is that computers/samplers/drum loops/turntables/blah blah never have been, aren't, and never will be musical instruments. All they will ever be able to do is create a digital representation of musical notes, not real musical notes. In layman's terms, it's fake music. It is to real music what plastic is to metal/steel, ie an attempt to recreate it in a non-organic way. And, try as it might, will never, ever be able to truly replicate it completely.
It's all summed up in a conversation I had with a mate of mine once. He's a pretty well known DJ around Melbourne. When we first met, we started talking music. I eventually asked him 'are you a musician yourself?'
His reply: 'No, I'm a DJ.'
There it is in a nutshell....

 

[passthebottle]

I know it's pointless to post this, because you can't reason with people who have the intelligence of a brick wall, but anyway....

What is it that makes "live" music (whatever that may be in these days of digital manipulation, autotune, sound replacer etc) so much better than "electronic" music?

Sequencers and things are just more tools that can be used to create music.

Sure - anybody can install a simple program like Reason and make a simple drum beat in 2 minutes.....

....just as anybody can pick up some drum sticks and play a simple drum beat in 2 minutes....

...but how good are those drum beats going to be?

Drumming, in most cases, takes years of learning and practicing to become good at. Sometimes, if people are naturally blessed with a wonderful sense of rhythm, it can come in a very short time.

Drum programming/sequencing/chopping/arranging can also take people years to learn and become GOOD at as well. It is no different. In fact, there are far more skills involved in programming drums than there are in playing a drum kit. (not saying they're easier or harder, but just different skill sets.) You must have a good knowledge of engineering for a start.... (completely irrelevant to a drummer, apart from maybe tuning your drums.... but then the amount of drummers who DON'T know how to tune their drums is staggering.... and a bit sad really!) .....EQ, compression, sidechaining, layering, slicing (audio editing), understanding of phase (etc etc) are all essential skills when it comes to producing breakbeat drums. And again, anybody can do these things badly, but to do them well, to know WHEN and EXACTLY HOW to do them, takes years of learning and practice until you get to the point where you naturally KNOW that "what I'm looking for here is to sidechain the kick and snare drums to the compressor on my percussion track so that I get that pumping percussion effect I'm looking for." (just one very simple example of a common production technique)

And then it takes knowledge and skill (and practice) to know exactly HOW to set that compressor as well.

To write off electronic music as "fake" music simply because you don't understand anything about it is extreme ignorance. Plain and simple.

Our resident drummer on this board Carlos, who I knew well before BigFooty ever existed (and I hope he doesn't mind me using him as an example!) is a great player who I've even jammed with in the distant past on a couple of occasions.... but I'm guessing that if I asked him to program a drum beat for me, it would sound like crap.

(if you're reading this Carlos, correct me if i'm wrong to use you as an example!.... you may be a drum programming/engineering whiz these days for all I know...! )

Pattern-wise, he'd probably program something fairly realistic, but even then, when you're dealing with samples or drum synths/samplers, there's far more involved in it than simply knowing how a drum beat goes. EQ wise, he probably wouldn't have much of a clue of how to approach cleaning up those drums and making them sparkle, or making them fat, or making them however it is you want them. Compression? Would he know how to really make that snare drum crack, or bring out the detail in those overhead or room mics up properly? Would he know which particular model compressor or EQ is likely to do the jobs best? Or which microphone to choose, and exactly where to place it?

I doubt it, on all counts.

In fact, how many drummers have ever engineered any kind of drum sounds, live OR in a studio?

They are all different skill sets, but ALL related to music.

And we haven't even got to bass yet. (let alone everything else)

The thing with electronic music (and all music/sound engineering) is that every tweak of an EQ, or a compressor, or a chorus/phaser/flanger effect, or a stereo imaging effect (etc etc etc - the list goes on and on).... every sample selection.... absolutely every detail of every sound is basically "committed to tape."

The end listener will be hearing the sum total of all those little tweaks.

As you can see, there's quite a bit more involved in any kind of music/sound production than there is in hitting some drums in time with a good groove and feel. Again, I'm not saying it's any easier of harder, but just different skill sets involved..... but they ALL relate to music at the end of the day.

You could apply everything I've said here to sound engineers as well, both in a live setting and a studio setting. (both involve different skill sets themselves!) There is an art and a whole lot of knowledge and skills involved in both live and studio engineering......things that many "musicians" (being the guy strumming those chords, or the dude hitting those drums) have absolutely no idea about.

And it is no different in the case of electronic music production.

To write off electronic music as "fake music" simply because you don't understand or have any real idea about what's involved in making it is, as I said, extremely ignorant, and something that any person who truly understand what's involved in ALL ASPECTS of music would never ever say.

By the way, I do feel as though I can comment on this subject because, unlike probably 99.9% of people on this board (maybe even all?), I've been writing/recording/producing/engineering/playing (live and studio) music professionally for over a decade now..... everything from recording jazz bands, to playing in jazz bands, to creating breakbeat, to composing orchestral scores, to recording bands of various genres, to playing various instruments in bands of various genres........ to just about everything in between....

...and I can assure you that creating GOOD breakbeat music can be as hard as any of those things.

Somehow, I very much doubt that Roddy or TheVideoMan have done any of the things I mentioned, other than maybe play in a rock band....... maybe.

g.

Well written my friend spot on!!!
Would love to hear some of your stuff sometime?

 

[passthebottle]

Have never said there's no skill involved in making electronic music. There no doubt is, but it simply isn't real musical skill. Electronic music fans/performers can bleat about it all day long, but the simple fact is that computers/samplers/drum loops/turntables/blah blah never have been, aren't, and never will be musical instruments. All they will ever be able to do is create a digital representation of musical notes, not real musical notes. In layman's terms, it's fake music. It is to real music what plastic is to metal/steel, ie an attempt to recreate it in a non-organic way. And, try as it might, will never, ever be able to truly replicate it completely.
It's all summed up in a conversation I had with a mate of mine once. He's a pretty well known DJ around Melbourne. When we first met, we started talking music. I eventually asked him 'are you a musician yourself?'
His reply: 'No, I'm a DJ.'
There it is in a nutshell....

Have you ever heard of The Freestylers or Pendulum now doing fully live gigs with instruments .

 

[nicky]

Well written my friend spot on!!!
Would love to hear some of your stuff sometime?

I strongly agree.

Electronica can be fantastic music. Music can be made from anything, as long as it sounds good it's good music. You might be the most talented guitarist in the world but if you can't create an original tune then you're a talented guitarist and less of a creative artist than someone who puts together good electronica.

Last night i missed an opputunity to see four tet, which i'm still bitter about. This guy creates ******g awesome music.

(a good example of making music from sounds is the film "dancer in the dark") - You can make music sampling birds tweeting for all i care, as long as it sounds good when you put it together.

 

[John]

Lead breaks?? Yep, love em, but there's another thread for that atm....

Wrong board. This is a 'music' board. Ask the mods to create a 'fake music' board....

Have never said there's no skill involved in making electronic music. There no doubt is, but it simply isn't real musical skill. Electronic music fans/performers can bleat about it all day long, but the simple fact is that computers/samplers/drum loops/turntables/blah blah never have been, aren't, and never will be musical instruments. All they will ever be able to do is create a digital representation of musical notes, not real musical notes. In layman's terms, it's fake music. It is to real music what plastic is to metal/steel, ie an attempt to recreate it in a non-organic way. And, try as it might, will never, ever be able to truly replicate it completely.
It's all summed up in a conversation I had with a mate of mine once. He's a pretty well known DJ around Melbourne. When we first met, we started talking music. I eventually asked him 'are you a musician yourself?'
His reply: 'No, I'm a DJ.'
There it is in a nutshell....

A synopsis on Rush. We all know that the musicianship is SOOOOOOOOOOOO good and that they are collectively oh SOOOOOOOOOO TALENTED. But what has never ceased to amaze me is that they actually have a fan base that gets orgasmic about the soulless rubbish that they produce and that the fan base then has the bad manners to trash everyone else if they like like something a bit different, say "Break Beats". Well lets look at this oh SOOOOOOOOO talented trio individually.
The guitarist is named Alexander Zivojinovich but for the sake of acceptance by the blind masses, he changed his name to something that the Anglo, the majority of the record buying public, could get their sad tongues around. Alex Lifeson. Very Nordic Alex. May I call you Alex? That will get those Anglos into purchasing your soulless rubbish Alexander, sorry Alex. The masses will think that you are a Viking and not some son of Yugoslav migrant parents. The sons of Yugoslav migrant parents will sell diddly squat but a Viking!! Millions of sales!! Also Alex is SOOO SOOO talented.

Lets get to the singer. A pretend clone of Robert Plant. A girly screamer. Geddy is another who has changed his name to receive blind acceptance by the Anglo masses. You see his name is really Gary Weinrib. Why "Geddy Lee" Gary? Hmmm. Why were you not comfortable with your name that your mammy gave you? Too Jewish perhaps for the White Caucasian male audience that was later to love you? But Gary Weinrib, sorry Geddy is SOOO SOOO talented.

Last but not least is the 2 bob drummer who goes by the name of Neal Peart. He replaced the original drummer whose name was John Rutsy. What happened to John Rutsey? I don't know, but the silly sod had the stupidity to play drums on Rush's 1st recording and that was a cover of Buddy Holly's Not Fade Away. The other 2 name changers no doubt considered him a no hoper and replaced him with an Ayn Rand lover by the name of Neal Peart. The musicianship of Alexander Zivojinovich and Gary Weinrib may be EXCEPTIONAL but the reality is that they could not write a song to save their lives so Ayn Rand, sorry Neal Peart was perfect. So get this. For one of the few times in modern recording history the drummer wrote the songs. And guess what!!! it shows. Did Neal Peart ever write songs that as a percussionist he would like like bring his instruments into? Nope. He wrote songs in support of the bankrupt beliefs of Ayn Rand. For those of you who don't know, Ayn Rand believes that if you as an individual have a misfortune that it is ultimately your fault. Tell that to the parents of the 14 year old who is missing after the tragic accident on Sydney Harbour this week. Ayn Rand escaped the bankrupt philosophy that is communism but she unfortunately created a bankrupt philosophy that the likes of the very pretentious Rush sing songs in praise of. This bankrupt philosophy unfortunately seems to give the fans of this soulless trio the right to trash anyone who does not come up to their oh SOOOO HIGH standards. Do you get it? No? OK here goes. I as a Rush fan can go onto any thread and make smart comments about the type of music that I do not like, and this is part of the Ayn Rand philosophy, because it is your fault for liking the music that you like in the first place. Get it? Good. How easy is that. You can now go onto any music site, in fact any site about anything, politics, sport, sex, religion, self help groups for those that have Mesothelioma, etc etc and trash them without mercy because it was their own fault all along. But that is ok because Neal Peart is SOOO SOOO talented.

Rush = rubbish. I would rather listen to Krafty Kuts because Krafty Kuts is a Blast Blast Blast.

.

 

[Binxy]

Once again, gPhonque nails it.

I'm not a huge fan of dnb - I prefer breaks but then again I prefer progressive house to all of it. I like a bit of Krafty Kuts and I'll certainly be checking out those tracks listed above.

I never really got into Rush - Geddy's voice just doesn't do it for me - which is strange because I like a lot of 70's Yes.

It's all music, Ladies and Gents - if you can hear it, it's music....to someone.

ps. Carlos' only plays drums for the chicks....and even that aint working out real well for him.

 

[Roddy]

A synopsis on Rush. We all know that the musicianship is SOOOOOOOOOOOO good and that they are collectively oh SOOOOOOOOOO TALENTED. But what has never ceased to amaze me is that they actually have a fan base that gets orgasmic about the soulless rubbish that they produce and that the fan base then has the bad manners to trash everyone else if they like like something a bit different, say "Break Beats". Well lets look at this oh SOOOOOOOOO talented trio individually.
The guitarist is named Alexander Zivojinovich but for the sake of acceptance by the blind masses, he changed his name to something that the Anglo, the majority of the record buying public, could get their sad tongues around. Alex Lifeson. Very Nordic Alex. May I call you Alex? That will get those Anglos into purchasing your soulless rubbish Alexander, sorry Alex. The masses will think that you are a Viking and not some son of Yugoslav migrant parents. The sons of Yugoslav migrant parents will sell diddly squat but a Viking!! Millions of sales!! Also Alex is SOOO SOOO talented.

Lets get to the singer. A pretend clone of Robert Plant. A girly screamer. Geddy is another who has changed his name to receive blind acceptance by the Anglo masses. You see his name is really Gary Weinrib. Why "Geddy Lee" Gary? Hmmm. Why were you not comfortable with your name that your mammy gave you? Too Jewish perhaps for the White Caucasian male audience that was later to love you? But Gary Weinrib, sorry Geddy is SOOO SOOO talented.

Last but not least is the 2 bob drummer who goes by the name of Neal Peart. He replaced the original drummer whose name was John Rutsy. What happened to John Rutsey? I don't know, but the silly sod had the stupidity to play drums on Rush's 1st recording and that was a cover of Buddy Holly's Not Fade Away. The other 2 name changers no doubt considered him a no hoper and replaced him with an Ayn Rand lover by the name of Neal Peart. The musicianship of Alexander Zivojinovich and Gary Weinrib may be EXCEPTIONAL but the reality is that they could not write a song to save their lives so Ayn Rand, sorry Neal Peart was perfect. So get this. For one of the few times in modern recording history the drummer wrote the songs. And guess what!!! it shows. Did Neal Peart ever write songs that as a percussionist he would like like bring his instruments into? Nope. He wrote songs in support of the bankrupt beliefs of Ayn Rand. For those of you who don't know, Ayn Rand believes that if you as an individual have a misfortune that it is ultimately your fault. Tell that to the parents of the 14 year old who is missing after the tragic accident on Sydney Harbour this week. Ayn Rand escaped the bankrupt philosophy that is communism but she unfortunately created a bankrupt philosophy that the likes of the very pretentious Rush sing songs in praise of. This bankrupt philosophy unfortunately seems to give the fans of this soulless trio the right to trash anyone who does not come up to their oh SOOOO HIGH standards. Do you get it? No? OK here goes. I as a Rush fan can go onto any thread and make smart comments about the type of music that I do not like, and this is part of the Ayn Rand philosophy, because it is your fault for liking the music that you like in the first place. Get it? Good. How easy is that. You can now go onto any music site, in fact any site about anything, politics, sport, sex, religion, self help groups for those that have Mesothelioma, etc etc and trash them without mercy because it was their own fault all along. But that is ok because Neal Peart is SOOO SOOO talented.

Rush = rubbish. I would rather listen to Krafty Kuts because Krafty Kuts is a Blast Blast Blast.

.

After being a fan of the world's greatest ever band for a quarter of a century, owning every single album, flying to Canada in '02 just to see them and doing so again in July, the term 'water off a duck's back' cannot even begin to adequately describe my reaction to your piss-poor post. What makes it even more pathetic is you chose to post the exact same thing twice in 2 seperate threads. (BTW, did you actually just cut and paste the entire thing from somewhere else? This looks like someone else's work. Interesting you can spell Ged and Alex's birth names, and yet you can't even spell Neil Peart's real name. And as if your questionable credibility wasn't shaky enough, Peart writes the lyrics, to which Ged and Alex write the music. Song = words and music, in case you didn't know)
Also interesting is that you didn't even attempt to rebuff any of my points about electronic 'music', merely trash my favourite band in a thread where the word 'Rush' wasn't even mentioned.
When I'm orgasmically Rocking the f*ck out with the best band in the world in California in July I'll be sure to think of you!!!

 

[johnnyhoward]

Have never said there's no skill involved in making electronic music. There no doubt is, but it simply isn't real musical skill.

I prefer the rock genre to electronic music, but I still enjoy it. Although you could say that there is more engineering involved in electronic music, production of just about any genre requires the use of computers - it's hard to see any way around it now.

Electronic music fans/performers can bleat about it all day long, but the simple fact is that computers/samplers/drum loops/turntables/blah blah never have been, aren't, and never will be musical instruments. All they will ever be able to do is create a digital representation of musical notes, not real musical notes.

Just like the electric guitar is a facsimile of a real, natural guitar. Amplifiers, distortion etc aren't natural - it's not real music.

In layman's terms, it's fake music. It is to real music what plastic is to metal/steel, ie an attempt to recreate it in a non-organic way. And, try as it might, will never, ever be able to truly replicate it completely.

The fact is live instruments have a more organic sound and electronic production is a synthesis of live instruments with various modifications available - just like an electric guitar. But in the end, music is still being created - it doesn't matter what instrument/apparatus you use to make it.

It's all summed up in a conversation I had with a mate of mine once. He's a pretty well known DJ around Melbourne. When we first met, we started talking music. I eventually asked him 'are you a musician yourself?'
His reply: 'No, I'm a DJ.'
There it is in a nutshell....

A DJ in what sense? Sounds to me like he mixes tunes at clubs, doesn't sound like he actually produces anything.

 

[John]

After being a fan of the world's greatest ever band for a quarter of a century, owning every single album, flying to Canada in '02 just to see them and doing so again in July, the term 'water off a duck's back' cannot even begin to adequately describe my reaction to your piss-poor post. What makes it even more pathetic is you chose to post the exact same thing twice in 2 seperate threads. (BTW, did you actually just cut and paste the entire thing from somewhere else? This looks like someone else's work. Interesting you can spell Ged and Alex's birth names, and yet you can't even spell Neil Peart's real name. And as if your questionable credibility wasn't shaky enough, Peart writes the lyrics, to which Ged and Alex write the music. Song = words and music, in case you didn't know)
Also interesting is that you didn't even attempt to rebuff any of my points about electronic 'music', merely trash my favourite band in a thread where the word 'Rush' wasn't even mentioned.
When I'm orgasmically Rocking the f*ck out with the best band in the world in California in July I'll be sure to think of you!!!

Water of a ducks back? No it is not. Why make this statement?

"I'll be sure to think of you!!!"

And don't say you are being sarcastic as you did not post an icon. If you would have noticed I posted a few at the bottom of my post as it was a sarcastic post aimed at making a point. And there is a good reason to post it twice. The original thread was aimed a those that like break beats. I like break beats and think that it is a relevant form of musical expression. What gives you the right to attack my taste or what style of music I like? But you came on this tread and attacked what I liked so I returned the compliment to the Rush thread. Lets be honest you did not like it. Anyway I have removed the post on the Rush thread as it has no right to ruin you or any other persons enjoyment of Rush. Also that synopsis was all my own work as well. I gleaned the info from Allmusic.com and as far as the references to Ayn Rand go I cannot be bothered finding that but I do know that I read about some song that Neal Peart wrote about trees being a reference to his philosophical agreement with Ayn Rand. I no more have an issue with his beliefs than I so with Billy Bragg for example. It is a free world and they can believe and write music, rightly or wrongly, about what they like. If I got a few things wrong in that synopsis so what. It was done to prove a point, it was a 5 minute job and I am also no journo.

If you recall I once had a conversation with you that I have only ever heard one Rush album in my life. It was OK but it never made me go out and get more. I have no opinion of Rush, other than that album, but have not one issue with you loving and liking them. The same as you should have no issue with me liking break beats or whatever I damn well like in the wonderful world of music. As to rebuffing your points on electronic music a couple of other posters have done some fine posts that I do not need to repeat. Anyway I no more have to justify to you why I like electronic music, or any other form of music for that matter, than you having to justify why you like Rush to me. I have read your stuff on Rush and have been impressed with your enthusiasm for their music. I hope they are on peak form when you get to see them. I will be reading your report when you post it. And you will not be thinking of me. They are far more important to you.
I guess I considered you intelligent enough to leave me and others alone and to like what we like without getting trolled.
Anyway peace.

 

[johnnyhoward]

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