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purple sneakers said:
If you think online poker is rigged you suck at poker. End of story.
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There is no proof that online poker is rigged, and variance ofcourse explains alot.

But to totally and utterly dismiss the prospect that some of these sites CONTRIVED to make money off rake (thus bigger pots = more rake = more profit) may slightly increase the odds of two big hands clashing, is nothing but pure naivety.
 
I was just playing and 3 of us flopped the nuts.....and you say it's not rigged :o
 

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Armwarmer said:
There is no proof that online poker is rigged, and variance ofcourse explains alot.

But to totally and utterly dismiss the prospect that some of these sites CONTRIVED to make money off rake (thus bigger pots = more rake = more profit) may slightly increase the odds of two big hands clashing, is nothing but pure naivety.
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Actually the rake is capped so your theory is slightly screwed.
 
Borgsta said:
Actually the rake is capped so your theory is slightly screwed.
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Not exactly.

By manufacturing action by giving people premium standoffish hands more often, the casino claims its maximum (albeit capped) rake more often.

Alot of pots don't yield maximum rake for the casino, so more action is always going to correlate with more profit for them.
 
Armwarmer said:
Not exactly.

By manufacturing action by giving people premium standoffish hands more often, the casino claims its maximum (albeit capped) rake more often.

Alot of pots don't yield maximum rake for the casino, so more action is always going to correlate with more profit for them.
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Whilst a sexy theory the sites have nothing to gain by doing this. With the sheer amount of hands played per minute there really is no need to risk pissing off all of your customers and alienating yourself to the poker community.

If it can happen once a night in real poker then it should happen once every 30 min to an hour in online poker.

Heck look at Dan on HSP last year. He got hammered by getting "premium" flops. Was that rigged?
 
Borgsta said:
Whilst a sexy theory the sites have nothing to gain by doing this. With the sheer amount of hands played per minute there really is no need to risk pissing off all of your customers and alienating yourself to the poker community.

If it can happen once a night in real poker then it should happen once every 30 min to an hour in online poker.

Heck look at Dan on HSP last year. He got hammered by getting "premium" flops. Was that rigged?
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Did I ever say it was rigged?

I personally don't believe it to be the case, and wouldn't accuse any site of being rigged until there was solid proof.

What I did say, though, was that mindlessly and absolutely claiming with certainty that no internet poker site could ever be rigged is nothing but naivety. There's alot of shady business that goes on, just look at what happened with Dutch Boyd and his brother (think it was pokerspot.com).

I'm not concerned about rigged cards/flops ect. What I am concerned about though, and have witnessed first hand on a number of occasions, is people colluding on sit-and-go tables. I know people that team up with 2-3 mates, and go and all play on a sit-and-go table while in a group MSN conversation. They can work out how many outs are counterfeited by eachother, engineer raises and reraises to push moderately strong hands off pots (with nothing), chip drop, and countless other things to ensure they obtain all the ITM places. These people are yet to be caught.

That's what scares me about net poker, if you really want to know.
 
Borgsta said:
Heck look at Dan on HSP last year. He got hammered by getting "premium" flops. Was that rigged?
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And yea, that was bad, but alot worse than that happens all the time, live and online. As Gabe says all the time, when playing in that high stakes televised environment, players simply can't stand the thought of being bluffed on a monster and will rather fall on their sword and lose a big pot (even going against their instincts) rather than succumb to a bluff of that magnitude.

What I'm saying is, while Dan was never going to fold that boat against Gus' quads, I really do think he felt he was beat after he got reraised. Gus is a maniac, but on that board, there were alot of hands that could beat him. Gus happened to hold one, and while it was sick, I don't think Dan was suprised.

PS: I've witnessed a mate lose with quad kings to quad aces in 5 card draw. Now THAT is sick.
 
I've been having a bad run the last few days.

My good hands aren't winning me much because my opponent doesn't have anything at all. So i win small pots on the flop.

But when my opponent has a good hand, i seem to also have a good hand, but not quite as good, so he gets paid off for his good hands. Example last night the board had KTT and i had KT and my opponent had KK.

Combine that with a couple of bad beats which have cost me my whole buy in both times, my free $50 on Partypoker which was $210 at one stage is now back at $50. Example the guy who didnt know how to play who kept calling my re-raises pre-flop with A2o to my QQ until all the chips went in pre-flop, hit his Ace. And another hand last night i raise it up with AA and guy calls me. Flop had another Ace but 2 hearts, but i still had the nuts. He bets but i raise him and he calls again. Turn was another heart and i'm not good enough to fold there with top set, maybe thats my problem, and i lose my whole stack and he shows a raggedy 4h9h :(
 

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with 2 hearts and top set you have to just put him all in straight away if you cant fold it when another heart comes. If he calls you are ahead, if he folds you win a easy pot. Plus you are making him make the hard decision.
 
red+black said:
Speaking of bad runs, I ate something today that didn't agree with me and now I've got the runs bad :(
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This thread always reminds me of my honeymoon in Mauritius. I had the local equivalent of Bali belly and was on the 6th hole at some local golf course in some direction to where I was staying (ie I really had no idea where I was).

Let's just say i did not finish with all the clothing I started with
 
Ricketts said:
I've been having a bad run the last few days.

My good hands aren't winning me much because my opponent doesn't have anything at all. So i win small pots on the flop.

But when my opponent has a good hand, i seem to also have a good hand, but not quite as good, so he gets paid off for his good hands. Example last night the board had KTT and i had KT and my opponent had KK.

Combine that with a couple of bad beats which have cost me my whole buy in both times, my free $50 on Partypoker which was $210 at one stage is now back at $50. Example the guy who didnt know how to play who kept calling my re-raises pre-flop with A2o to my QQ until all the chips went in pre-flop, hit his Ace. And another hand last night i raise it up with AA and guy calls me. Flop had another Ace but 2 hearts, but i still had the nuts. He bets but i raise him and he calls again. Turn was another heart and i'm not good enough to fold there with top set, maybe thats my problem, and i lose my whole stack and he shows a raggedy 4h9h :(
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The K10 v KK was just timing, you had to pay him off. Same with the QQ hand.

With the pocket aces though, you did say you raised preflop, but was it a min raise? With pocket rockets, especially against loose internet players, I like to raise 3-4x the bigblind to define my hand. I don't mind slowplaying aces against just 1 opponent who you know and feel you can get a read on. But online, you need to raise to eliminate all the people who will play rags, because even though you will beat those rags postflop 19/20 times, that 1/20times you lose with those aces may very well cost you more than all the wins.

Postflop with the two hearts, you should have raised him all in. He only has a 1/3ish chance to hit his flush, and unless the pot is alreadly quite big relative to his total stack, pot odds won't allow him to make the call. You would have taken a decentish pot right there, without really gambling.
 
Armwarmer said:
With the pocket aces though, you did say you raised preflop, but was it a min raise?
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Hell no. I hate the gay raise. My raise is always over 3x BB at these limits.




Postflop with the two hearts, you should have raised him all in. He only has a 1/3ish chance to hit his flush, and unless the pot is alreadly quite big relative to his total stack, pot odds won't allow him to make the call. You would have taken a decentish pot right there, without really gambling.
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I suppose, but that would have been a massive overbet of the pot. But as you say it might have ended the hand right there.



Anyway, just flopped a full house with 95.

flop 955
turn J
river K

He had K9 for top 2 pairs so i got paid off a bit.
 
Ricketts said:
Hell no. I hate the gay raise. My raise is always over 3x BB at these limits.
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in that case, its unbelievable that the donk with call with that hand.

I guess even if you did overbet it and push all in, he may have called with the same logic that called the initial raise.

ah well.
 
hey bartel, hows your bankroll doing now?

my mates account which we played together for a bit has gone, but ive still got mine...
 

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I'm on a very bad run atm, cant seem to get a hand, may have to sit it out or a while.
 

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