Champion Data

[Forge199]

I have a complaint... but if im wrong, someone explain it to me... because I was getting so freaking fustrated last night watching the blues v bombers game, and keeping an eye on my 3 dreamteam players... and I swear I was robbed 15 or so points... I've noticed Champion Data don't pay a disposal if its been smothered.. or a kick off the ground... whats up with that? There was an instance where I think it was Houlihan kicked it, it went 5 metres to a smothering opponent.. and champion didnt pay the kick... isn't it still a kick though? My opinion is if the ball has left by foot or hand, even if it does get smothered... it's still a disposal right? Obviously not in Champion Datas eyes... and also 1 last thing I noticed.. Midway through the last quarter last week Byron Shammer was on 4 tackles.. and the end of the game he laid a ripping tackle of G.Ablett... and champion didnt pay the tackle?? it cost my mate a loss in his fantasy game because he had shammer as his tackler!!! I'll be happy to admit Im wrong if someone can prove it, if not.. then something needs to be done about these CD statisticians because they suck.. real bad.. thoughts anyone?

 

[Team Mo']

I'd say a kick had so travel 15 metres for it to be effective.

Tackles must either stop the opponent AND change possesion. If he grabbed him along with 5 of his matea and just sat on Ablett then it wouldn't be awarded...

 

[DarwinRoo]

But wouldnt the fact that the kick was smothered at least make it an ineffective kick?

 

[FFB1]

Dreamteam is stats based, Supercoach is efficiency, so you have lost me when you say you were watching 'dreamteam' players.

Supercoach (Champrion Data) wont award a point for an ineffective kick - DT (who is not Champion Data?) does, to my knowledge, however I dont give a rats about DT.

Also, to my knowledge, a tackle is only a tackle if it causes the player who is in posession of the ball to 'stuff up' what they intended on doing with the ball - ie a clange (or ineffective) kick and the like. Using Ablett as an example, you could tackle him and he's still stand there and fire out the intended handball that hits Corey who kicks it downfield and a goal results - in other words it wasnt a tackle with any effectiveness so it doesnt count - so it really needs to have an impact for it to count.

I reiterate 'to my knowledge' because I am only led to believe this to be the case - I guess one way of looking at it is that teams get what, around 50 tackles a game? - thats only a little over 12 a quarter - the number of times a player is grabbed (read tackled) would be more than that in a quarter.

 

[silky-smooth]

A tackle is still credited as a tackle even if the player gets possession away, as long as it is a proper tackle that causes duress to the ball player.

CD do also award kicks to players who kick it off the ground, it even has its own statistic. And smothered kicks are credited as ineffective kicks. Sometimes very small soccer kicks aren't credited as a kick if they don't go a great deal, or for example, if a player does a 1 or 2m soccer kick that dribbles over the boundary line.

DT is also run by CD.

Schammer's tackle would have been recorded but they may have incorrectly awarded him a tackle earlier in the game that was stripped off him by the final siren.

But I have sometimes seen CD award a tackle stat to someone who hasn't performed a good tackle then moments later seen a bloke pulled right down and he's not been awarded a tackle ..... operator error (like incorrectly identifying a player, but this is usually fixed later).