Chicken Run - Bock Bock Bock

jmorg1 · Jun 20, 2005

All hail our new centre half back. There is now hardly a more exciting sight in a Crows game than when that pacy 193cm 91kg beast dashes through the corridor pushing puny midfielders out of the way saying, 'Get out of the way shorty, you're only 188cm.' before kicking a sweet drop punt lace out right in front of the nose of a leading Crows forward.

WaynesWorld19 · Jun 20, 2005

What has happened to our so called AA CHB in Kenny - you know irresplaceable Kenny - The rock of our defence

Crow-mosone · Jun 20, 2005

Wayne's-World said:
What has happened to our so called AA CHB in Kenny - you know irresplaceable Kenny - The rock of our defence

you're not disrrepecting Kenny are you WW?

been on the jack juice?

WaynesWorld19 · Jun 20, 2005

Crow-mosone said:
you're not disrrepecting Kenny are you WW?

been on the jack juice?

No, having a bit of fun - BTW since my criticism of Kenny (slow, dropping marks....) he has had a complete reversal - has he been dope tested lately OR his there a twin Kenny

Stiffy_18 · Jun 20, 2005

Kenny showed a bit of pace against Richmond and smaller turning circle than I recall

Bocky has been great. Althought I thought he probably broke even with Simmonds, he still provided plenty of run out of the backline and that passege of play where he evaded a couple of tigers and delivered the ball to Welshy laces out was sensational.

Am I the only one that thinks Bocky has improved his disposal by foot. Last year he used to kick them high up in the air. This year his kicks are flatter and harder, making it easier for the receiver to get hold of the footy.

AlwaysCrows · Jun 20, 2005

Stiffy_18 said:
Kenny showed a bit of pace against Richmond and smaller turning circle than I recall

Bocky has been great. Althought I thought he probably broke even with Simmonds, he still provided plenty of run out of the backline and that passege of play where he evaded a couple of tigers and delivered the ball to Welshy laces out was sensational.

Am I the only one that thinks Bocky has improved his disposal by foot. Last year he used to kick them high up in the air. This year his kicks are flatter and harder, making it easier for the receiver to get hold of the footy.

Not the only one ... I'm sure plenty here would agree his kicking and disposals have improved a lot. His on-going consistency will make him an irreplaceable star of the future!

WaynesWorld19 · Jun 20, 2005

Stiffy_18 said:
Kenny showed a bit of pace against Richmond and smaller turning circle than I recall

Bocky has been great. Althought I thought he probably broke even with Simmonds, he still provided plenty of run out of the backline and that passege of play where he evaded a couple of tigers and delivered the ball to Welshy laces out was sensational.

Am I the only one that thinks Bocky has improved his disposal by foot. Last year he used to kick them high up in the air. This year his kicks are flatter and harder, making it easier for the receiver to get hold of the footy.

What was impressive about his run from defence was a couple of times he had tigers on his tail, he didn't panic, knew they were chasing yet still had the confidence in his speed to take another bounce and kick long.

I have already spoken about his ability to hold his feet which is super impressive.

His kicking Stiffy was still up and under and took a long time to reach the forwards - does need to flatten the kick more to opposition defenders less time.

But he is the type of CHB I was talking about (which Kenny is not) and suits Craigs gameplan beautifully

outback jack · Jun 20, 2005

bocks rebound has been excellent and with kenny there the game plan wouldnt be as effective, but he has to work on his one on one contests as he allowed simmonds to mark acouple of times and playfair did the same(that one was at a critical stage of the game).

Where does this leave kenny though>? Possibly trade material? Doesnt look the same this yr.

RoosterLad · Jun 20, 2005

I wouldnt trade kenny, provides a strong option up forward, commands a tall defender also which makes it harder to cover welshy and the sarge (and thommo when hes up there)
i love the way he crashes through packs and puts his body on the line

people on here seem to bag a hell of a lot of players, yet we are winning, and i hate making unforced changes to a winning side (unless players come back from injury/suspension)

burton, mcgregor, reilly, all get bagged yet i wouldnt dare drop any of those 3 right now

CaptainDangerfield · Jun 20, 2005

outback jack said:
bocks rebound has been excellent and with kenny there the game plan wouldnt be as effective, but he has to work on his one on one contests as he allowed simmonds to mark acouple of times and playfair did the same(that one was at a critical stage of the game).

Where does this leave kenny though>? Possibly trade material? Doesnt look the same this yr.

You're having a laugh aren't you Jackie Boy. We now have the luxury of playing Kenny forward whereby we finally have a forward who can take a contested mark. Don't ignore the improvement in Perrie and Welsh game since kenny has moved up forward.

On Bock, has anyone noticed how he seems to be playing with alot more aggression.

Stiffy_18 · Jun 20, 2005

outback jack said:
bocks rebound has been excellent and with kenny there the game plan wouldnt be as effective, but he has to work on his one on one contests as he allowed simmonds to mark acouple of times and playfair did the same(that one was at a critical stage of the game).

Where does this leave kenny though>? Possibly trade material? Doesnt look the same this yr.

It leaves Kenny as a key forward where we need him. Bock's ability to hold down CHB is a HUGE assett because it allows us to play Kenny in the forward line. Its no coincidence that we have had a few high scoring games since Kenny has been thrown to CHF. He is the best mark we have, he is courageous and will always give a contest. While his kicking action is ugly, its very effective in front of goals.

Kenny is still learning to play the game as a CHF and he could very easily develop into a Mark Stevens at his best type key forward.

I do have a slight concern with Kenny. He doesn't land well when taking a "low mark". Just like Stevo he goes knees first to the ground and doesn't roll all that well. A few times this year he has dug out a hole in the ground when he goes for them. He needs to address this or he could go down the same path as Stevo did

outback jack · Jun 20, 2005

SpringChoke said:
You're having a laugh aren't you Jackie Boy. We now have the luxury of playing Kenny forward whereby we finally have a forward who can take a contested mark. Don't ignore the improvement in Perrie and Welsh game since kenny has moved up forward.

On Bock, has anyone noticed how he seems to be playing with alot more aggression.

bock has played with alot more agression around the paccks especially, watch how he knocks the smaller midfielders around a bit.

and why is it a laugh, Watts and hentschel have to come in sometime in the next yr or two, so someone will have to go. Maric is apparently playing CHF too. Gibson in a couple of yrs too. Kenny and perrie are both workman like too, and arent really that gun forward we need to find. Agree that he is able to take a contested mark deep which adds heaps to the forward line though.

Stiffy_18 · Jun 20, 2005

SpringChoke said:
You're having a laugh aren't you Jackie Boy. We now have the luxury of playing Kenny forward whereby we finally have a forward who can take a contested mark. Don't ignore the improvement in Perrie and Welsh game since kenny has moved up forward.

On Bock, has anyone noticed how he seems to be playing with alot more aggression.

To me Bock has always been a bit of an aggressive player. The problem is he didn't have a frame to play that style. He now has put on some weight and might still add more. He has grown into his body and is starting to throw it around a bit more. The more he grows into his body the more aggressive he will become.

outback jack · Jun 20, 2005

Stiffy_18 said:
It leaves Kenny as a key forward where we need him. Bock's ability to hold down CHB is a HUGE assett because it allows us to play Kenny in the forward line. Its no coincidence that we have had a few high scoring games since Kenny has been thrown to CHF. He is the best mark we have, he is courageous and will always give a contest. While his kicking action is ugly, its very effective in front of goals.

Kenny is still learning to play the game as a CHF and he could very easily develop into a Mark Stevens at his best type key forward.

I do have a slight concern with Kenny. He doesn't land well when taking a "low mark". Just like Stevo he goes knees first to the ground and doesn't roll all that well. A few times this year he has dug out a hole in the ground when he goes for them. He needs to address this or he could go down the same path as Stevo did

yes but we have young players to come into those key forward roles. And thats a good point about his landing, only good thing is that stevo would put the knee sideways if you know what i mean, opening it up to lots of damage. kenny just digs it in. He seems to have a body that doesnt injure very easily too. Its terribly uncoordinated for 23- 24 though.

RoosterLad · Jun 20, 2005

Excellent points Stiffy and SpringChoke.

So Jacko, we trade Kenny end of the season, and expect Maric, Watts, etc to hold down a similar role next season? No chance. Our forward set up with Ken Sarge and Welsh is excellent and should be left as is.

Maric is apparently playing CHF too. Gibson in a couple of yrs too

So you dont know if Maric really is or not? And you dont know how well hes doing? They are a fair way off being AFL regulars, Trent is in the team at the moment, so add him to the 3 i named before.
I can tell you now, there is no way the AFC will consider trading Ken, so this debate is pointless.

Stiffy_18 · Jun 20, 2005

outback jack said:
yes but we have young players to come into those key forward roles. And thats a good point about his landing, only good thing is that stevo would put the knee sideways if you know what i mean, opening it up to lots of damage. kenny just digs it in. He seems to have a body that doesnt injure very easily too. Its terribly uncoordinated for 23- 24 though.

Jack, who do we have as those young players to come into those positions. Hentschel is already playing and the only other genuine prospect I can think of is Watts.

I think the forward line consisting of McGregor, Watts and Hentschel can work and be quite damaging down the track.

jc67 · Jun 20, 2005

RoosterLad said:
burton, mcgregor, reilly, all get bagged yet i wouldnt dare drop any of those 3 right now

Good call,
IMHO team balance is crutial, one of those things you just dont stuff with.

outback jack · Jun 20, 2005

Stiffy_18 said:
Jack, who do we have as those young players to come into those positions. Hentschel is already playing and the only other genuine prospect I can think of is Watts.

I think the forward line consisting of McGregor, Watts and Hentschel can work and be quite damaging down the track.

so perrie would go>?

Basically atm NC is using two key forwards and the other one in on the bench. Watts, hentechel and maric to come in between now and 1-2 yrs. Hentschesl to come in first, watts very soon, and maric 2ish yrs, plus theres gibson and kruger in the pipe. There is a trade option there imo, not to say it would be done of course.

outback jack · Jun 20, 2005

RoosterLad said:
Excellent points Stiffy and SpringChoke. and jack.

Thankyou

RoosterLad said:
So Jacko, we trade Kenny end of the season, and expect Maric, Watts, etc to hold down a similar role next season? No chance. Our forward set up with Ken Sarge and Welsh is excellent and should be left as is..

yes i expect watts with a good preseason to show what hes got next yr, ie 15-20 games imo. If we're serious able developing the club it has to happen. I expect if NC thinks hentschel is the next tredrea to actually be given CHF and let him develop.

so do we trade perrie then>? someone doesnt fit.

I agree that kenny and welsh are good atm and should be retained for the season, but it must be developed for further improvement next yr. Welsh is hot and cold and kenny is more for structure to relied on permanently. It is an acknowledged weakness for us, so more improvement will happen

RoosterLad said:
So you dont know if Maric really is or not? And you dont know how well hes doing? They are a fair way off being AFL regulars, Trent is in the team at the moment, so add him to the 3 i named before.
I can tell you now, there is no way the AFC will consider trading Ken, so this debate is pointless.

no i dont go watch games. I never said he would be traded, and i dont think he will, but someone has to miss looking at it logically.

WaynesWorld19 · Jun 20, 2005

Stiffy_18 said:
Kenny is still learning to play the game as a CHF and he could very easily develop into a Mark Stevens at his best type key forward.

Wouldn't say I have been a critic of Kennys but perhaps I haven't had him on the same pedestal as some.

But your right Stiffy he does have the type of game that he could easily be better than Stevo - why - IMO he's a better mark and despite earlier concerns more mobile.

Stevo is fearless - but Kenny showed some very good signs on Saturday.

I do want him though trying to put a leap into his game rather than marking flatfooted as he predominantly does - That will make him dangerous.

tribey · Jun 20, 2005

When I called for Bock's promotion from the rookie list, when noone else believed, I was going out on a limb.

I'm happy with that limb now, as ungainly as it is ("whaddayamean in the back?!").

WaynesWorld19 · Jun 20, 2005

dyertribe said:
When I called for Bock's promotion from the rookie list, when noone else believed, I was going out on a limb.

I'm happy with that limb now, as ungainly as it is ("whaddayamean in the back?!").

Don't remember you waving his flag too viorously

tribey · Jun 20, 2005

Wayne's-World said:
Don't remember you waving his flag too viorously

WaynesWorld19 · Jun 20, 2005

dyertribe said:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1275914&highlight=bock#post1275914
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1276172&highlight=bock#post1276172
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1279116&highlight=bock#post1279116
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1341443&highlight=bock#post1341443
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1364776&highlight=bock#post1364776
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1364950&highlight=bock#post1364950

Want me to keep going, or?...

Just checking to see if your paying attention there as a mod

Stiffy_18 · Jun 20, 2005

outback jack said:
so perrie would go>?

Basically atm NC is using two key forwards and the other one in on the bench. Watts, hentechel and maric to come in between now and 1-2 yrs. Hentschesl to come in first, watts very soon, and maric 2ish yrs, plus theres gibson and kruger in the pipe. There is a trade option there imo, not to say it would be done of course.

Maric is a ruckman and not a natural KPP.

Gibson will not be a key forward unless he improves his marking dramatically. He has smaller reach than average for the player of his height and he is not a very good mark. He will be a defender but not a forward IMHO.

Krueger will not play AFL. He has a bad back and I doubt we would persist with him for too much longer.

Perrie will probably be in one of the WA sides in a couple of years time. Watts, Hentschel and Kenny are our future as far as key forwards are concerned.

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