Opinion Comparisons between past key position forwards

[Bobby_]

I hear Doug Wade was an absolute champion but what Hawkins did in the 2011 finals and then 2012 is just absurd as he was the best forward running around until his back injury.

 

[manboob]

EFA.

Really.

 

[manboob]

wasn't a KPF even though he played like one but Hawkins at his very best was better than Stoneham and alike.
Can't speak for the earlier blokes as never saw em play.

Lol 1000 goals says otherwise The way he defiled key position backmen demonstrated what a KPF he was.

 

[you pick one]

I hear Doug Wade was an absolute champion but what Hawkins did in the 2011 finals and then 2012 is just absurd as he was the best forward running around until his back injury.

Hawkins has a long way to go to be half the FF Wade was.

 

[you pick one]

Always difficult to compare players from different eras,but big laughing Larry would have been handy in the season just gone.The back hasn't helped Hawk this year where I reckon he could have made real progress,for me Larry still has him covered. In what I call the modern era it's Ablett Wade Donohue Hawkins.Interesting Larry was finished at 25 the same age as Hawk, lets hope he can kick on and grab my no 3 position.

 

[manboob]

Jebus I didn't realise what a mad-snake Larry was with an average of 3.2 goals a game Shame he only played 4 seasons was it?

 

[Moggy]

Lol 1000 goals says otherwise The way he defiled key position backmen demonstrated what a KPF he was.

Defiled. Yep.

 

[vinum coupe]

EFA.

This is saying something.

But that is the dumbest post you've ever posted here.

3 Self upper cuts thanks.

 

[vinum coupe]

I'd have to ask my brother about larry.

He had 23 on his back and I had 35 so I didn't give a stuff
But I never remember him being imposing.

I just remember a dead eye dick.


Saw his 100th though !

 

[AM]

I hear Doug Wade was an absolute champion but what Hawkins did in the 2011 finals and then 2012 is just absurd as he was the best forward running around until his back injury.

Love Hawk but hard to justify that statement on one years performance let alone one finals series Bobby.

 

[SJ]

I hear Doug Wade was an absolute champion but what Hawkins did in the 2011 finals and then 2012 is just absurd as he was the best forward running around until his back injury.

Wowee!

Hawkins was good (not great) in the 2011 finals series. After a non-existent first half, he had a very good second half of the grand final where he kicked three goals (two off the ground) and was involved in one other.

2012 was clearly his best year where he had some dominant games but I thought he was lucky to be named All-Australian.

Hawkins is nowhere near the best key forward Geelong has ever had. Goninon, Wade, Donohue, Brownless and Mooney all had better seasons than he did in 2012.

 

[The rabbi]

yeh, just checked his stats, only played 105 games but almost managed 6 marks and 3.2 goals per game.
Must have been injured all the time or something because he only played an average of 13 games in 8 seasons for us.

He had shoulder problems.

 

[Jon Douglas]

I remember Larry well. Wasn't anywhere near as good as Hawk in 2011. Then again neither was Hawk before this time ! Both at their best Hawk has it over Larry no problems.

As far as Brownless goes he had good and bad days but was not in same class as Stoneham, Mooney and of course Wade and Ablett.

 

[El Dubya]

Wowee!
Hawkins is nowhere near the best key forward Geelong has ever had. Goninon, Wade, Donohue, Brownless and Mooney all had better seasons than he did in 2012.

Mooney in his best year (2206) averaged 2.68 goals a game, Tomahawk in 2012 averaged 2.82 and in 2013 2.23. Love the Moon but he was definitely an average forward on the end of some amazing delivery. Looking at the difference in the amount that we as a team scored in those years also makes Tomahawk look a little better as he was kicking more goals in a team that was kicking less goals, if that makes sense...

 

[you pick one]

Mooney in his best year (2206) averaged 2.68 goals a game, Tomahawk in 2012 averaged 2.82 and in 2013 2.23. Love the Moon but he was definitely an average forward on the end of some amazing delivery. Looking at the difference in the amount that we as a team scored in those years also makes Tomahawk look a little better as he was kicking more goals in a team that was kicking less goals, if that makes sense...

We should get him as a mature age recruit.

 

[you pick one]

I remember Larry well. Wasn't anywhere near as good as Hawk in 2011. Then again neither was Hawk before this time ! Both at their best Hawk has it over Larry no problems.

As far as Brownless goes he had good and bad days but was not in same class as Stoneham, Mooney and of course Wade and Ablett.

27 goal for the season for Hawkins in 2011 at FF,your kidding,Larry never kicked less than that in any season he played more than 6 games.

 

[Jon Douglas]

27 goal for the season for Hawkins in 2011 at FF,your kidding,Larry never kicked less than that in any season he played more than 6 games.

Maybe got the wrong year - but when Hawkins finally came good and played good footy that was better than Larry's best football. That's all I am saying. Nothing against Larry - I was there when he kicked his 100 th goal at Waverley. I yelled loudly and it was great.

As far as Mooney goes to rate him on goals per game misses some of the importance he brought to the side. We had no gun FF when he was around and often played a lone hand as the KPP forward for us that resulted in Premierships.

His shear presence, contesting and giving away goals - gave us a forward line. We had the best backline and the best midfield in 2007 and beyond for a few years - but an ordinary forward line. Without Mooney we would have struggled more up forward.

For me an under rated CHF and a key member of two Premierships.

 

[nohairandfair]

I remember Larry well. Wasn't anywhere near as good as Hawk in 2011. Then again neither was Hawk before this time ! Both at their best Hawk has it over Larry no problems.

As far as Brownless goes he had good and bad days but was not in same class as Stoneham, Mooney and of course Wade and Ablett.

Larry was a very limited footballer. Had no leap to speak of and when marking overhead always took two bites of the cherry (stiff hands).

However he was a dead eye dick and good on the lead.

It was an era of flat out offence with open forward lines.

Larry would struggle with the defensive zones and limited space we have in today's game.

 

[AM]

that was sort of what I was trying to say in my original comments on Hawkins. His best is better than anything I saw from Brownless who's best game would have to be that 1991 final against St Kilda where the scores were close and tight all day long and it was high pressure footy.
Hawkins is like Travis Cloke mixed with the leaping ability of Jack Riewoldt, 54 contested marks a couple years ago, he was just a brute of a man mountain and such a shame he's got cut down in his prime.

Let's not place the death notice before he's deceased.

 

[FoolCat]

Let's not place the death notice before he's deceased.

But he has been cut down in his prime. Good news is there's time for a second coming.

 

[AM]

But he has been cut down in his prime. Good news is there's time for a second coming.

Guess it depends on how you define cut down.

Certainly hope there is a second coming in 2014 because I fear we might end up with the also-rans if there isn't.

 

[Partridge]

Mooney in his best year (2206) averaged 2.68 goals a game, Tomahawk in 2012 averaged 2.82 and in 2013 2.23. Love the Moon but he was definitely an average forward on the end of some amazing delivery. Looking at the difference in the amount that we as a team scored in those years also makes Tomahawk look a little better as he was kicking more goals in a team that was kicking less goals, if that makes sense...

Disagree with that. For the main reason that in 2006 Mooney's football as a key forward was excellent, and we weren't a powerhouse then.

I really do hate the argument "he was on the end of amazing delivery" and it's variations. It's crap. Watch the games. Either from 2006 and 2007-2009. Did he only take uncontested marks? No he didn't. He took tremendous contested marks in that time, and he gave away plenty of goals apart from the ones he kicked himself.

He may not have been as good as Hawkins, or the best in the competition, but he was still a bloody good footballer. No average forward kicks 5 goals in a Qualifying final and then 5 goals and 13 marks in a Grand Final.

 

[Partridge]

Wowee!

Hawkins was good (not great) in the 2011 finals series. After a non-existent first half, he had a very good second half of the grand final where he kicked three goals (two off the ground) and was involved in one other.

2012 was clearly his best year where he had some dominant games but I thought he was lucky to be named All-Australian.

Hawkins is nowhere near the best key forward Geelong has ever had. Goninon, Wade, Donohue, Brownless and Mooney all had better seasons than he did in 2012.

I'll disagree slightly SJ. His first half in the Grand Final was ok. Hadn't hit the scoreboard, but took at least 3 pretty good marks in the first half, so he was playing ok. I didn't question his 2012 nomination at all.

I'll add another key forward to the list of past Geelong names (and they're all good) - Lindsay White.
Won Geelong's goalkicking 5 times (I think) and pretty sure he topped the league's goalkicking a couple of times too.

 

[El Dubya]

Disagree with that. For the main reason that in 2006 Mooney's football as a key forward was excellent, and we weren't a powerhouse then.

I really do hate the argument "he was on the end of amazing delivery" and it's variations. It's crap. Watch the games. Either from 2006 and 2007-2009. Did he only take uncontested marks? No he didn't. He took tremendous contested marks in that time, and he gave away plenty of goals apart from the ones he kicked himself.

He may not have been as good as Hawkins, or the best in the competition, but he was still a bloody good footballer. No average forward kicks 5 goals in a Qualifying final and then 5 goals and 13 marks in a Grand Final.

I'm not saying he was crap, but he wasn't that good. He was an average key forward, but was incredibly competitive and never stopped trying, but he wasn't an especially gifted footballer.

 

[SJ]

Disagree with that. For the main reason that in 2006 Mooney's football as a key forward was excellent, and we weren't a powerhouse then.

I really do hate the argument "he was on the end of amazing delivery" and it's variations. It's crap. Watch the games. Either from 2006 and 2007-2009. Did he only take uncontested marks? No he didn't. He took tremendous contested marks in that time, and he gave away plenty of goals apart from the ones he kicked himself.

He may not have been as good as Hawkins, or the best in the competition, but he was still a bloody good footballer. No average forward kicks 5 goals in a Qualifying final and then 5 goals and 13 marks in a Grand Final.

And for me, the evidence that blows that theory out of the water for me is that often the leaders in the Coleman come from lower teams.

The teams with the "amazing delivery" usually have a midfield that can kick goals themselves without needing a forward line.