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Well done, Rhett !
Couldn't see anything in the match reports or post-match reviews to indicate any delays, so 2.40 it is then.
Research Correcting historical match starting times
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Well done, Rhett !
Couldn't see anything in the match reports or post-match reviews to indicate any delays, so 2.40 it is then.
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Update on Grand Final start times which have been lodged with update required or confirmation noted.
1898 to 1904, 1906 to 1910, 1944.
1898 to 1904, 1906 to 1910, 1944.
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1911
Grand Final 23 September Essendon v Collingwood
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00
The Herald issue of Friday 22 September carried an advertisement which included
“Victorian Football League / The Final / To-morrow To-morrow / Essendon v Collingwood / At 3.”
The Geelong Advertiser issue of Monday 25 September had a match report which included “..Essendon took the field at five minutes to 3, and received an encouraging cheer. Collingwood followed a minute later, and met with a warmer reception..” “..Essendon, who won the toss and kicked towards the Richmond goal, made play from the bounce..”
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Summary: 1911 Grand Final start time, remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00
Grand Final 23 September Essendon v Collingwood
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00
The Herald issue of Friday 22 September carried an advertisement which included
“Victorian Football League / The Final / To-morrow To-morrow / Essendon v Collingwood / At 3.”
The Geelong Advertiser issue of Monday 25 September had a match report which included “..Essendon took the field at five minutes to 3, and received an encouraging cheer. Collingwood followed a minute later, and met with a warmer reception..” “..Essendon, who won the toss and kicked towards the Richmond goal, made play from the bounce..”
FINAL LEAGUE MATCH. - ESSENDON PREMIERS. ATTENDANCE 44,000; GATE £1500. - Geelong Advertiser (Vic. : 1859 - 1929) - 25 Sep 1911
On Saturday the winners of the semi-final games, Essenden and Colingwood, met on the Melbourne cricket ground to play the final match for the League premiership. The ...
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Summary: 1911 Grand Final start time, remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00
1943 Final Series summary.
1st SF Fitz v Carlton is 2.30pm
however,
The 2nd Semi, Prelim, and Grand FInals are all 2.45pm start
View attachment 1992844
1st SF Fitz v Carlton is 2.30pm
however,
The 2nd Semi, Prelim, and Grand FInals are all 2.45pm start
View attachment 1992844
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1912
Grand Final South Melbourne v Essendon
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00
The Herald issue of Friday 27 September carried an advertisement which included
“Victorian Football League / Grand Final / South Melbourne v Essendon / At 3.”
The Argus issue of Saturday 28 September carried in column five on page 24 an advertisement which included
“Grand Final / Melbourne Cricket-Ground / To-day To-day / South Melbourne v Essendon / At 3.”
None of the match reports or post-match reviews I’ve read so far comment on any delay, so..
Summary: 1912 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00
Grand Final South Melbourne v Essendon
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00
The Herald issue of Friday 27 September carried an advertisement which included
“Victorian Football League / Grand Final / South Melbourne v Essendon / At 3.”
The Argus issue of Saturday 28 September carried in column five on page 24 an advertisement which included
“Grand Final / Melbourne Cricket-Ground / To-day To-day / South Melbourne v Essendon / At 3.”
None of the match reports or post-match reviews I’ve read so far comment on any delay, so..
Summary: 1912 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00
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1913
Grand Final 27 September Fitzroy v St Kilda
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00
The Herald and The Age issues of Friday 26 September both carried an advertisement which included
“..Victorian Football League / Grand Final / ..Fitzroy v St Kilda / At 3.”
None of the match reports or post-match reviews I’ve read so far comment on any delay, so..
Summary: 1913 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00
Grand Final 27 September Fitzroy v St Kilda
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00
The Herald and The Age issues of Friday 26 September both carried an advertisement which included
“..Victorian Football League / Grand Final / ..Fitzroy v St Kilda / At 3.”
None of the match reports or post-match reviews I’ve read so far comment on any delay, so..
Summary: 1913 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00
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1914
Grand Final
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00
The Herald issue of Friday 25 September carried an advertisement which included
“..Grand Final / ..Carlton v South Melb. / At 3 p.m.”
The Sporting Judge issue of Saturday 26 September carried an advertisement which included “..Victorian Football League / Grand Final / ..Carlton v South Melbourne / At 3 p.m.”
None of the match reports or post-match reviews I’ve read note any delays so..
Summary: 1914 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00
Grand Final
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00
The Herald issue of Friday 25 September carried an advertisement which included
“..Grand Final / ..Carlton v South Melb. / At 3 p.m.”
The Sporting Judge issue of Saturday 26 September carried an advertisement which included “..Victorian Football League / Grand Final / ..Carlton v South Melbourne / At 3 p.m.”
None of the match reports or post-match reviews I’ve read note any delays so..
Summary: 1914 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00
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1915
Grand Final 18 September Collingwood v Carlton
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00
The Herald issue of Friday 17 September carried an advertisement which included
“..Victorian Football League / Grand Final / Tomorrow Tomorrow / C’Wood v Carlton / At 3 p.m.”
The Sporting Judge issue of Saturday 18 September carried an advertisement which included
“..Grand Final / Carlton / v / Collingwood / ..Saturday, Sept. 18, at 3 p.m.”
None of the match reports or post-match reviews I’ve read note any delays so..
Summary: 1915 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00
Grand Final 18 September Collingwood v Carlton
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00
The Herald issue of Friday 17 September carried an advertisement which included
“..Victorian Football League / Grand Final / Tomorrow Tomorrow / C’Wood v Carlton / At 3 p.m.”
The Sporting Judge issue of Saturday 18 September carried an advertisement which included
“..Grand Final / Carlton / v / Collingwood / ..Saturday, Sept. 18, at 3 p.m.”
None of the match reports or post-match reviews I’ve read note any delays so..
Summary: 1915 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00
Summary 1910 First Semi Final Coll v Ess is 3pm, not 2.30pm
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article10459836
Not sure if this one already mentioned but
Summary Rd 9 1910 Geelong vs Collingwood is 3.20pm not 3pm due to train delay .
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article149156712
Summary Round 10 1910 Geelong vs Melbourne is 3.15pm not 3.00pm due to train delay
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article149157574
Summary 1910 Second Semi Final Carlton v Sth Melb is 3pm, not 2.30pm
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article10461727
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article10459836
Not sure if this one already mentioned but
Summary Rd 9 1910 Geelong vs Collingwood is 3.20pm not 3pm due to train delay .
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article149156712
Summary Round 10 1910 Geelong vs Melbourne is 3.15pm not 3.00pm due to train delay
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article149157574
Summary 1910 Second Semi Final Carlton v Sth Melb is 3pm, not 2.30pm
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article10461727
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Summary: Rd 1 1915 Carlton v Fitzroy clearly started after 3pm due to the length of time it took to do the flag unfurling
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article242344990
Exact time however unsure, more research required - but crowd was yelling that it was after 3pm and to hurry up.
So we may have to see what other papers say or just take an educated guess of 3.05pm
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article242344990
Exact time however unsure, more research required - but crowd was yelling that it was after 3pm and to hurry up.
So we may have to see what other papers say or just take an educated guess of 3.05pm
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Summary: Rd 2 1918 Ess v St K appears to have began at 3.05pm as per this reader's letter of complaint.
"
"Last week's match
at East Melbourne did not begin
until five minutes past three, and
a fine finish was marred through
being unable to recognise the players
in the dark.
NB: Many references during the 1910s of play never starting at 3pm etc...why dont they move back to 2.45 or 2.30 etc etc. We will never collate every late starting time in this era, but if the time delay is mentioned in the paper we should mention it as per Rd 2 1918
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article242518425
"
"Last week's match
at East Melbourne did not begin
until five minutes past three, and
a fine finish was marred through
being unable to recognise the players
in the dark.
NB: Many references during the 1910s of play never starting at 3pm etc...why dont they move back to 2.45 or 2.30 etc etc. We will never collate every late starting time in this era, but if the time delay is mentioned in the paper we should mention it as per Rd 2 1918
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article242518425
the croucher and others,
What I'll do is collate all these summarys into a chronological spreadsheet so we can see what GF or Finals or regular season games etc we have , and are missing - and it will be easier for the AFL folks to update from their end when I send it through
What I'll do is collate all these summarys into a chronological spreadsheet so we can see what GF or Finals or regular season games etc we have , and are missing - and it will be easier for the AFL folks to update from their end when I send it through
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1911 22 July Round 14 Geelong v Fitzroy generally listed start time is 3.00
Geelong Advertiser issue of Monday 24 July noted that due to late of arrival of train with Fitzroy players on board,
late start by ten minutes.
trove.nla.gov.au
Summary - 1911 Rnd 14 Geelong v Fitzroy start time remove 3.00 and replace with 3.10
Geelong Advertiser issue of Monday 24 July noted that due to late of arrival of train with Fitzroy players on board,
late start by ten minutes.
FOOTBALL SPECIAL TRAIN - Geelong Advertiser (Vic. : 1859 - 1929) - 24 Jul 1911
A large number of supporters accom. panied the Fitzroy players in the special train run by that club to Geelong on Saturday. It was late in arriving, and ...
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Summary - 1911 Rnd 14 Geelong v Fitzroy start time remove 3.00 and replace with 3.10
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1916
Grand Final 2 September Fitzroy v Carlton
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00
The Herald issue of Friday 1 September carries an advertisement which includes
“..Carlton / V / Fitzroy / ..Tomorrow - Tomorrow / At 3 p.m.”
The Sporting Judge issue of Saturday 2 September carries an advertisement which includes
“..M.C.G. TO-DAY (Saturday) 3 p.m. / Carlton v. Fitzroy.”
The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..
Summary: 1916 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00
Grand Final 2 September Fitzroy v Carlton
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00
The Herald issue of Friday 1 September carries an advertisement which includes
“..Carlton / V / Fitzroy / ..Tomorrow - Tomorrow / At 3 p.m.”
The Sporting Judge issue of Saturday 2 September carries an advertisement which includes
“..M.C.G. TO-DAY (Saturday) 3 p.m. / Carlton v. Fitzroy.”
The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..
Summary: 1916 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00
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1917
Grand Final 22 September Collingwood v Fitzroy
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00
The Sporting Judge issue of Saturday 22 September carries an advertisement which includes
“..To-day (Saturday) / ..V.F.L. Grand Final / Collingwood V. Fitzroy / Gates Open 1.30 Match at 3 p.m.”
The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..
Summary: 1917 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00
Grand Final 22 September Collingwood v Fitzroy
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00
The Sporting Judge issue of Saturday 22 September carries an advertisement which includes
“..To-day (Saturday) / ..V.F.L. Grand Final / Collingwood V. Fitzroy / Gates Open 1.30 Match at 3 p.m.”
The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..
Summary: 1917 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00
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1927
Grand Final 1 October Collingwood v Richmond
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45
The Argus issue of Friday 30 September carries an advertisement on page 18 in column 2 that includes
“..Victorian Football League / …Collingwood v Richmond / At 2.45.”
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The Herald issue of Friday 30 September carries a “Melbourne’s Day By Day Diary of Events” list which includes
“Tomorrow / ..Football - League Final. Collingwood v Richmond, M.C.C. Ground, 2.45 p.m.”
The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..
Summary - 1927 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45
Grand Final 1 October Collingwood v Richmond
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45
The Argus issue of Friday 30 September carries an advertisement on page 18 in column 2 that includes
“..Victorian Football League / …Collingwood v Richmond / At 2.45.”
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) - 30 Sep 1927 - p18
Classified Advertising;
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The Herald issue of Friday 30 September carries a “Melbourne’s Day By Day Diary of Events” list which includes
“Tomorrow / ..Football - League Final. Collingwood v Richmond, M.C.C. Ground, 2.45 p.m.”
The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..
Summary - 1927 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45
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Update on years listed so far...
Grand Finals that have a summary are
1898 to 1904, 1906 to 1917, 1927 and 1928, and 1944.
Grand Finals that have a summary are
1898 to 1904, 1906 to 1917, 1927 and 1928, and 1944.
Thanks Croucher.
I'll create a simply spreadsheet showing YEAR | NEW TIME | EVIDENCE LINK
so its easier for the powers that be to investigate and update.
Rhett
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1938
Grand Final 24 September Carlton v Collingwood
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45
The Herald issue of Friday 23 September carries an item headed “League’s Final Round”
which includes “..Tomorrow - Grand Final Collingwood v Carlton on M.C.G. at 2.45 p.m.”
The Sun-News Pictorial issue of Saturday 24 September carries an item headed “What’s On In Sport Today”
which includes “Football - League Grand Final at 2.45 - Carlton v Collingwood at M.C.G.”
The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..
Summary: 1938 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45
Grand Final 24 September Carlton v Collingwood
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45
The Herald issue of Friday 23 September carries an item headed “League’s Final Round”
which includes “..Tomorrow - Grand Final Collingwood v Carlton on M.C.G. at 2.45 p.m.”
The Sun-News Pictorial issue of Saturday 24 September carries an item headed “What’s On In Sport Today”
which includes “Football - League Grand Final at 2.45 - Carlton v Collingwood at M.C.G.”
The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..
Summary: 1938 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45
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1933
Grand Final 30 September Richmond v South Melbourne
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45
The Argus issue of Saturday 30 September carries a list headed “Week-end Sport” which includes “..League at 2.45 p.m. - Grand Final, South Melbourne v. Richmond, at the M.C.G.”
trove.nla.gov.au
The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..
Summary - 1933 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45
Grand Final 30 September Richmond v South Melbourne
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45
The Argus issue of Saturday 30 September carries a list headed “Week-end Sport” which includes “..League at 2.45 p.m. - Grand Final, South Melbourne v. Richmond, at the M.C.G.”
WEEK-END SPORT - PROGRAMME FOR TO-DAY FOOTBALL - The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) - 30 Sep 1933
LEAGUE, at 2.45 p.m.—Grand final, South Melbourne v. Richmond, at the M.C.G. "Curtainraiser," League Sub-districts final, Kew Districts v. Abbotsford. Gates open about 10 a.m. ...
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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..
Summary - 1933 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45
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1934
Grand Final Saturday 13 October 1934 Richmond v South Melbourne
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45
The Age issue of Saturday 13 October carries a short item that includes “All preparations have been completed for the Victorian League grand final to be staged at the Melbourne Cricket Ground this afternoon at 2.45 o’clock.”
trove.nla.gov.au
The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..
Summary - 1934 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45
Grand Final Saturday 13 October 1934 Richmond v South Melbourne
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45
The Age issue of Saturday 13 October carries a short item that includes “All preparations have been completed for the Victorian League grand final to be staged at the Melbourne Cricket Ground this afternoon at 2.45 o’clock.”
FOOTBALL. - V.F.L. GRAND FINAL TO-DAY'S BIG MATCH. Curtain Raiser May be Cancelled - The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) - 13 Oct 1934
All preparations have been completed for the Victorian League grand final to be stag[?] at the Melbourne Cricket Ground this afternoon at 2.45 o'clock. ...
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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..
Summary - 1934 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45
