Cox McDougall Matera

[coasting]

I really hope all these guys are back for round 1. We really need them. Seaby gave away far too many free kicks and Lynch dropped way too many marks.

 

[Thrawn666]

I really hope all these guys are back for round 1. We really need them. Seaby gave away far too many free kicks and Lynch dropped way too many marks.

I thought Seaby was very unlucky with the frees he apparently gave away. He did very well at the centre bounces and brought us back in the game. That being said I would prefer to see Cox as No 1 ruck and have Seaby up forward a bit more. I think we missed his presence up forward at times, particularly when we kept bombing in to Lynch.

Id say its 50/50 for Lynch and McDougall at FF right now. Neither one has really taken the opportunity to stick their hand up and make the position their own.

Fido is doubtful for Round 1, and when he does come back hopefully he will still be the player he has been the last few years.

 

[coasting]

I thought Seaby was very unlucky with the frees he apparently gave away. He did very well at the centre bounces and brought us back in the game. That being said I would prefer to see Cox as No 1 ruck and have Seaby up forward a bit more. I think we missed his presence up forward at times, particularly when we kept bombing in to Lynch.

Id say its 50/50 for Lynch and McDougall at FF right now. Neither one has really taken the opportunity to stick their hand up and make the position their own.

Fido is doubtful for Round 1, and when he does come back hopefully he will still be the player he has been the last few years.

Seaby isn't as good as Cox yet. Not even close. McDougall knows how to play fullforward. Lynch also had trouble even leading properly. I don't expect too much drop off from Matera in one year. He lives in a forward pocket and has been sheltered a bit from the hardships of AFL football.

On the plus side, Gardy started to look really good by the end of the match. He was the catalyst to get us back into the match.

 

[AdamG03]

There's no doubt that Seaby is definitely not our first choice ruckman at this point, Cox will hold that honour for this season if fit.

Seaby's presence down forward may be needed if we do use Lynch back like we needed him to be with Whitnall and Fevola having field days ey, although Staker and Glass will only progress when on trial with each other.
(I liked Lynchs' three goals tho! Murray Couper has helped his goalkicking by a mile.)

Fido will come back and just add another dimension to what Hansen, Gardiner And Lynch (If in the forward line) present down there. His crumbing will just be increased by their oppurtunities just missed...

Doogs may come back and shift Lynch back or make Seabys' presence not needed. Except as second choice ruckman or as a person to replace Hansen, Gardy or Doogs when they are resting.

One last thing: Anyone notice Sampi was used a lot in the midfield and even in defence, not much in attack, just a thought?...

Till Next Time...

 

[Total Package]

Yes we missed Cox.. but some of those free kicks against Seaby... my god.. the umpires... We really need McDougall in... he's mobile and a good target and can take a grab.. and we really missed Matera crumbing around the forward line. We really needed Brett Jones in there too. Still tonight was a good experience for some of the young kids.

 

[Total Package]

One last thing: Anyone notice Sampi was used a lot in the midfield and even in defence, not much in attack, just a thought?...

yes... I could understand what Woosha was trying to do.. and thats have Sampi in the middle.. because he is a hard body...l he really goes in hard for the ball and you need those sort of guys in the midfield especially in a final where its hard and tight inside... but it really robbed us of some crumbing spark and that mercurial bit of play we needed in the forward line. Another lesson learnt.

 

[West Coast Fan 123]

Lynch cannot take a pack mark he has the worst case of butterfingers I have ever seen. Hes still got time to try and rectify his flaws though and hopefully but that massive frame to use. We probably missed Matera the most though so many spillages in the F50 that Carlton backmen crumbed and managed to clear. Doogs is a better FF than Quinten by far would like to see Quinten playing back again as he would have to try and mark it which he cannot do. However he is also very clumsy and gives away too many frees, so I dont really know where hes best suited atm. Sampi was good late in the 3rd playing a wirra role across hbf then did well when he moved into the middle and played hard it at. Still we needed him crumbing, chipper was inneffective as was Kerr and we needed a genuine crumber.
I went to the game expecting so much and came back very dissapointed. Im afraid that it could just be the same old story for us. Brilliant in Perth and ********ouse in Melbourne. 4 out of 18 or whatever it is at the dome is not good enough to be a top 4 side.

 

[Bestbird]

I think that while Woosha was still trying to win the WC, he was also experimenting with set ups around the ground with an eye to round 1

Still confused by B Jones admission though

 

[jod23]

We have certainly missed Matera all pre-season. He is good for 2-3 goals a game and we all know how dangerous he can be. McDougall IMO is still our best option at FF. He leads strongly and intelligently, kicks straight and can take a pack mark.

Lynch I believe is still our best option at CHB and he can always pinch hit up forward when need be. Cox was obviously a big out, Seaby toiled away and did well but he is no Cox.

All 3 players are certainly important to the side and lets hope all 3 are in the 22 when we play Adelaide in a fortnight.

 

[Mead]

Agree with a lot thats been said.

I don't rate Lynch at FF, and haven't really throughout the wizard cup, truth be told. He's a good pinchhitter and a 'quick and dirty' solution, because he's pretty much guaranteed to get two or three goals (and sometimes some bloody good ones!) a game, but he's physically as ready as he'll ever be, and I just don't think he'll develop into the kind of permanent dominant spearhead we need to make us world beaters.

As a matter of fact, the absence of Doogs and Smith is quite annoying, because its robbed us of a chance to see something that could make quite a big difference to our team- the press was that Lynch apparently slimmed and trimmed down an awful lot over the preseason, and did a lot of work on his pace and agility, and that does seem true actually!

Certainly, I think all of us have been surprised by him several times this wizard cup- he's led pretty much every opponent to the ball comfortably, and his second efforts and agility have actually been very impressive- even today, he absolutely turned his two defenders inside out and slotted a tricky shot on goal in a way that was danged impressive.

Which all leaves me hoping we can get Lynch back to CHB as quickly as possible- he still has awesome physical strength, and by the looks of him, will be a lot less vulnerable to the quicker types of forwards who gave him trouble at times last year. His butterfingers on the lead is less of an issue since we don't really need him to be taking large numbers of marks in defence.

 

[Exeter]

Agree with a lot thats been said.

I don't rate Lynch at FF, and haven't really throughout the wizard cup, truth be told. He's a good pinchhitter and a 'quick and dirty' solution, because he's pretty much guaranteed to get two or three goals (and sometimes some bloody good ones!) a game, but he's physically as ready as he'll ever be, and I just don't think he'll develop into the kind of permanent dominant spearhead we need to make us world beaters.

As a matter of fact, the absence of Doogs and Smith is quite annoying, because its robbed us of a chance to see something that could make quite a big difference to our team- the press was that Lynch apparently slimmed and trimmed down an awful lot over the preseason, and did a lot of work on his pace and agility, and that does seem true actually!

Certainly, I think all of us have been surprised by him several times this wizard cup- he's led pretty much every opponent to the ball comfortably, and his second efforts and agility have actually been very impressive- even today, he absolutely turned his two defenders inside out and slotted a tricky shot on goal in a way that was danged impressive.

Which all leaves me hoping we can get Lynch back to CHB as quickly as possible- he still has awesome physical strength, and by the looks of him, will be a lot less vulnerable to the quicker types of forwards who gave him trouble at times last year. His butterfingers on the lead is less of an issue since we don't really need him to be taking large numbers of marks in defence.

I might get you to ghost for me Mead, saves me all that tedious time and effort of putting it down in print myself.

 

[Mead]

I might get you to ghost for me Mead, saves me all that tedious time and effort of putting it down in print myself.

So you want me to throw several smartassed comments at Mead each week?

 

[Exeter]

So you want me to throw several smartassed comments at Mead each week?

No, I can do those myself. Perhaps if you just PM me what you intend to post I'll do a quick proof read and insert the smartarsed comments at the appropriate point.

Otherwise it's self-abuse on your part.

(Not that there's anything wrong with that)

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

I just posted that same thing in another post.

Qualk is not a forward.

 

[Thrawn666]

I just posted that same thing in another post.

Qualk is not a forward.

3 goals isnt a bad return for someone who isnt a forward

Didnt he get 5 goals in his second game against Adelaide too?

 

[doog. where's my car]

heard doogs might come through wafl ranks.
But I think it does add the question of which big men do you add and who do you drop.
spose that ebs into revised 22.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

3 goals isnt a bad return for someone who isnt a forward

Didnt he get 5 goals in his second game against Adelaide too?

But he'd have way more if he could take a simple mark.

 

[Thrawn666]

But he'd have way more if he could take a simple mark.

You could say that for any of our key forwards, why single Lynch out?

 

[zero]

You could say that for any of our key forwards, why single Lynch out?

because he was the one they were all kicking too

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

You could say that for any of our key forwards, why single Lynch out?

You're kidding me right? Lynch drops marks I could take, at least with McDougall you can see the problem isn't his hands.

 

[Total Package]

You're kidding me right? Lynch drops marks I could take, at least with McDougall you can see the problem isn't his hands.

Lynch's problem is he drops chest marks over and over again... and even the ones he does mark are rebounds he takes off his chest. He rarely takes a clean mark.... and has a habit of overrunning the ball when its over his head as well. He can take a strong mark overhead but he misses more than he takes.

 

[Thrawn666]

You're kidding me right? Lynch drops marks I could take, at least with McDougall you can see the problem isn't his hands.

Ive seen McDougall drop many a sitter too. Unfortunately the only guy I feel confident is going to take the grab is Whenfit Gaspar.

 

[Exeter]

Lynch's problem is he drops chest marks over and over again... and even the ones he does mark are rebounds he takes off his chest. He rarely takes a clean mark.... and has a habit of overrunning the ball when its over his head as well. He can take a strong mark overhead but he misses more than he takes.

and the reason he drops chest marks is that invariably he's betwixt and between with his hands sort of out in front but not really.

It's basic skill that 9 year olds learn early in the piece. Hell my 8 year old son can take a better contested mark than Lynch.

 

[Oblong]

and the reason he drops chest marks is that invariably he's betwixt and between with his hands sort of out in front but not really.

It's basic skill that 9 year olds learn early in the piece. Hell my 8 year old son can take a better contested mark than Lynch.

Hey man thats a bit harsh on Lynchy he just has to hold onto a few more and bit more consistency... Hopefully with time and perserverance.
He can be a bit more of a damaging player for us... Give the big fella chance.

 

[Exeter]

Hey man thats a bit harsh on Lynchy he just has to hold onto a few more and bit more consistency... Hopefully with time and perserverance.
He can be a bit more of a damaging player for us... Give the big fella chance.

hyperbolic perhaps.

Yep, he does have to hang on to a few more - it's how he does that though that the issue.

my point about Lynch though is the position of his hands and arms when going for a chest mark - he frequently seems to be in neither one position nor the other.

And as regards to overhead and generally contested marking, look at how Fevola did it - exemplary.

I'm not condemning Q just stating what most people observe about his approach to marking. He can, and should, improve dramatically - but I still think he's only a stop gap forward.

On the upside, his second effort the other night, when he evaded 2 Blues and slotted the goal was exceptional.