Danny Frawley?!?!?!?

[jmorg1]

Just read in The Ragvertiser that the Crows are considering Frawley as an assistant coach. If this is true I'd like to ask why. Why? Why? Why? What on earth could he possibly bring to the club besides fronting the supporters after a humiliating loss due to his ability to withstand tremendous amounts of abuse. Nothing against the man personally but I seriously cannot see any benefit whatsoever in him coming to the AFC.

 

[Fergus]

Just read in The Ragvertiser that the Crows are considering Frawley as an assistant coach. If this is true I'd like to ask why. Why? Why? Why? What on earth could he possibly bring to the club besides fronting the supporters after a humiliating loss due to his ability to withstand tremendous amounts of abuse. Nothing against the man personally but I seriously cannot see any benefit whatsoever in him coming to the AFC.

He was very highly regarded as an assistant coach at Collingwood before taking on the Richmond job. You don't have to be a successful senior coach to be a successful assistant coach - just ask Robert Shaw.

 

[dA Crow]

And lets be honest about the Richmond job, they are currently a rabble both on and off the field, I they have a history of this, so I would be expecting that to remain the same for ever and a day, so who on earth would have been a successful coach there? I am guessing NOBODY. (You'd stand more chance getting a cohorent sentance from a swampy that coaching Richmond to a premiership).

I think he would be damn good choice, if in fact this is correct about him being approached.

 

[Stiffy_18]

He was very highly regarded as an assistant coach at Collingwood before taking on the Richmond job. You don't have to be a successful senior coach to be a successful assistant coach - just ask Robert Shaw.

Spot on. People have to realise that you don't have to be a good head coach to make a great assistant. As an assistant you are under less pressure and have a specific role to do. Being a head coach is a HUGE step up.

 

[Body Blow]

Why don't we approach Peter Schwab next? Then we could have 3 of the 4 sacked coaches from this season ...2 wrongs don't make a right, but what about 3 wrongs?

 

[Dogga]

Yeah, naah, at the end of the day, I'd back this bloke until the cows come home.

 

[Mong]

Having been a head coach for several years now Frawley would also have a good understanding of exactly what an assistant coach should provide. And I doubt he would be coming here for a crack at a head coaching role further down the track. Apart from this I've got no real opinion on Frawley as an assistant, but I do like the idea of former head coaches being assistants rather than up and coming coaching aspirants. Frawley has had a lot of experiences to draw from.


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[drakeyv2]

Having been a head coach for several years now Frawley would also have a good understanding of exactly what an assistant coach should provide. And I doubt he would be coming here for a crack at a head coaching role further down the track. Apart from this I've got no real opinion on Frawley as an assistant, but I do like the idea of former head coaches being assistants rather than up and coming coaching aspirants. Frawley has had a lot of experiences to draw from.


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And what winning experience it is. A wonderfull playing career at the saints where he won nothing, followed by a stint as an assistant at Collingwood when they won nothing, followed by 5 years at the tigers when they won nothing.

Where is Damien Drum when you want him?

 

[jmorg1]

I don't mean to disrespect the opinions of my fellow Crows supporters who think he would be a good choice, but ask any Richmond supporter what they think of Frawley being possibly considered for an assistant coaching position at Adelaide (and apparently Fremantle) and watch them laugh hard and loud.


And for those comparing Frawley to Robert Shaw, at least Shaw was a thinker who had some ideas about the game. Ok most of them were bad ideas but at least he was prepared to try new strategies and had some idea of how he felt the game needed to be played. Frawley just seemed completely clueless most of the time.

 

[Alex99]

Just read in The Ragvertiser that the Crows are considering Frawley as an assistant coach. If this is true I'd like to ask why. Why? Why? Why? What on earth could he possibly bring to the club besides fronting the supporters after a humiliating loss due to his ability to withstand tremendous amounts of abuse. Nothing against the man personally but I seriously cannot see any benefit whatsoever in him coming to the AFC.

Danny Frawley was one strong S.O.B and played the full back position like it was his own isn’t that what we would like Ben Rutten to do, so getting Spud as an assistant would be a good move. IMO

 

[Alex99]

I don't mean to disrespect the opinions of my fellow Crows supporters who think he would be a good choice, but ask any Richmond supporter what they think of Frawley being possibly considered for an assistant coaching position at Adelaide (and apparently Fremantle) and watch them laugh hard and loud.

Why would be we worried about Richmond of all teams laughing at us. They are an absolute laughing stock of the AFL.

 

[tribey]

And what winning experience it is. A wonderfull playing career at the saints where he won nothing, followed by a stint as an assistant at Collingwood when they won nothing, followed by 5 years at the tigers when they won nothing.

Where is Damien Drum when you want him?

Danny Frawley was one of the best fullbacks of his era.

Spud was also assistant down at Victoria Park in the first couple of years of Mal Michael's career... interesting footnote.

Why wouldn't you want him telling Rutten what's what?!

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

He was very highly regarded as an assistant coach at Collingwood before taking on the Richmond job. You don't have to be a successful senior coach to be a successful assistant coach - just ask Robert Shaw.

If we sign Danny Frawley then it will be the final confirmation that we have now fully accepted we wish to be nothing more than a medioacre team. Hey, any other dud assistant coaches out there, why not come to Adelaide.

 

[drakeyv2]

Danny Frawley was one of the best fullbacks of his era.

Spud was also assistant down at Victoria Park in the first couple of years of Mal Michael's career... interesting footnote.

Why wouldn't you want him telling Rutten what's what?!

Great

All we need is another 17 assistants & we will have one for every position.

I like the idea of people who have experienced success being the ones to tell our players what is required to acheive it.

Q. Danny, What do I have to do to win a grandfinal?

A. I don't know son.

You mentional Mal Michael (who under Frawley impressed Collingwood so much they traded him). I would rather have Michael as an assistant than Frawley. At least he has been there, done that & knows the price you have to pay for success.

 

[tribey]

If we sign Danny Frawley then it will be the final confirmation that we have now fully accepted we wish to be nothing more than a medioacre team. Hey, any other dud assistant coaches out there, why not come to Adelaide.

I think you're underestimating, or at least not fully appreciating the leap between assistant coach and senior coach and the differences in accomplishments and duties.

Damien Drum, Wayne Brittain and Danny Frawley were/are all considered to be top-notch assistant coaches - and that's why they landed in the senior roles they chose.

Drum coached with little success - at a Freo still teething.
Brittain coached with limited success - at a Carlton on the decline.
Frawley coached with mild success - people forget he coached Richmond to a Prelim Final in 2001, where they were smacked by the Lions at the Gabba.

Frawley could teach our young defenders a lot about the craft.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

The question needs to be asked. Are we picking our assistant coaches or are these the coaches the PAFC are picking for us. It's almost comical. Thank christ Lous Richards doesn't aspire to be an assistant coach as he may have been running our midfield in 2005.

 

[tribey]

Great

All we need is another 17 assistants & we will have one for every position.

I like the idea of people who have experienced success being the ones to tell our players what is required to acheive it.

Q. Danny, What do I have to do to win a grandfinal?

A. I don't know son.

You mentional Mal Michael (who under Frawley impressed Collingwood so much they traded him). I would rather have Michael as an assistant than Frawley. At least he has been there, done that & knows the price you have to pay for success.

You're being extremely harsh on Spud - he was a 300-game fullback for St Kilda and a Victorian SOO representative on many occasions. And you can't pick and choose parameters for your senior coach.

How much Grand Final success did Denis Pagan have as a player? What about Paul Roos?

Conversely, look how all of Gary Ayres and Tim Watson's Premiership success helped them.

You're being rather simplistic in your approach I feel.

 

[Arsene Wenger]

I think Danny frawley would not be of benefit to the AFC - His lack of ability and talent would be surplus to requirements. You already have plenty of that down there

 

[Stiffy_18]

You mentional Mal Michael (who under Frawley impressed Collingwood so much they traded him). I would rather have Michael as an assistant than Frawley. At least he has been there, done that & knows the price you have to pay for success.

And Kane Johnsons impressed Adelaide so much so we traded him

Mal Michael left Collingwood for the same reason Kane Johnson left Adelaide.

 

[Stiffy_18]

You're being extremely harsh on Spud - he was a 300-game fullback for St Kilda and a Victorian SOO representative on many occasions. And you can't pick and choose parameters for your senior coach.

How much Grand Final success did Denis Pagan have as a player? What about Paul Roos?

Conversely, look how all of Gary Ayres and Tim Watson's Premiership success helped them.

You're being rather simplistic in your approach I feel.

I agree completely.

People just underestimate the huge difference between being a gun assistant and a senior coach. As you said how much success did Denis Pagan have as a player??????

Going by people's pre-requisets Darren Jarman would be a GUN coach

 

[Alex99]

The question needs to be asked. Are we picking our assistant coaches or are these the coaches the PAFC are picking for us. It's almost comical. Thank christ Lous Richards doesn't aspire to be an assistant coach as he may have been running our midfield in 2005.

What do the PAPS have to do with it?

 

[Alex99]

You're being extremely harsh on Spud - he was a 300-game fullback for St Kilda and a Victorian SOO representative on many occasions. And you can't pick and choose parameters for your senior coach.

How much Grand Final success did Denis Pagan have as a player? What about Paul Roos?

Conversely, look how all of Gary Ayres and Tim Watson's Premiership success helped them.

Excellent point DT

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

What do the PAPS have to do with it?

I meant it sort of semi-sarcastically. Let's say you asked your biggest rival to pick a coaching department for you, what would they pick, all rubbish coaches of course. Same if you asked the PAFC to choose players for you from this years draft, you would end up starting games with 18 Brad Dabrowskis.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I think you're underestimating, or at least not fully appreciating the leap between assistant coach and senior coach and the differences in accomplishments and duties.

Damien Drum, Wayne Brittain and Danny Frawley were/are all considered to be top-notch assistant coaches - and that's why they landed in the senior roles they chose.

Drum coached with little success - at a Freo still teething.
Brittain coached with limited success - at a Carlton on the decline.
Frawley coached with mild success - people forget he coached Richmond to a Prelim Final in 2001, where they were smacked by the Lions at the Gabba.

Frawley could teach our young defenders a lot about the craft.

Your probably right DT..... but I always get a bad feeling when someone chooses an assistant coach who was a failed senior coach.

 

[Mitch Power]

Just read in The Ragvertiser that the Crows are considering Frawley as an assistant coach. If this is true I'd like to ask why. Why? Why? Why? What on earth could he possibly bring to the club besides fronting the supporters after a humiliating loss due to his ability to withstand tremendous amounts of abuse. Nothing against the man personally but I seriously cannot see any benefit whatsoever in him coming to the AFC.

Jmorg, it could be part of the succession planning process the AFC will implement for the coaching appointment after N Craig.