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Darren Lehmann

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OK Easty and DARKY
Serious question.

Who should Lehmann replace in the test team ?

The only player he could replace is Hayden,which means Lehmann would open the innings.

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[This message has been edited by JUBJUB (edited 13 February 2001).]
 
He should never have been dropped 3 or 4 years ago. After 5 tests he averaged 28.50. Not conclusive by any means, but hardly a failure for his first five tests.
Drop one opener and push Langer up. How about this for a top 7:

Slater/Hayden
Langer
Ponting
M.Waugh
S.Waugh
Lehmann
Gilchrist

And he definitely shouldn't have been dropped from the one-day side in the first place. Martyn was lucky to get a spot when he broke back in around 1999, and (good for him) he has capitalised on it. Lehmann gets a go, makes a stack of runs, then gets dropped again. I still reckon Steve Waugh should concentrate on test cricket and lessen his role in the one-day team, the same way Healy and Taylor were forced to do.
Also I don't expect the batsmen to all make as many runs when they have a bit of decent opposition. Maybe a spot will open up after a player gets complacent in India and registers a run of low scores.
 

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Boof is as good a player of spin bowling as there is in the world and would be brilliant at 5,6 or 7 in India. He's also pretty handy against the quicks. Maybe if Hayden has a poor series they could give Darren a go opening which would keep the left/right hand combo.

Boof's mistake was going to Victoria for three years. He was very close to playing for Australia before he went and was heavily pushed by the SA media and public. I don't think he stood out as much in Victoria although his average I think was slightly higher playing for the Vics than his overall average. But he just seemed to fall a few rungs in the queue for test possies when he left SA.
 
As a test player, Lehmann has had his chance and didn't take it. You might say 5 tests, thats not an opporunity. But with the dominance of Australia in the last 6 or so years, 5 tests is all you get. His average was only 28, which is good enough in this team.
If a player averages over 100 for 2 consecutive seasons in the Sheffield Shield then plays in a 5 test series and only averages in the mid 20's, then he will be very lucky to get another shot for Australia.
Hayden struggled in his early tests and thats why its taken him 4 years to get another shot even though he has been right up at the top of the first class batting charts for most of the decade. I still don't think Hayden should be in the side. I would rather see Simon Katich or Martin Love get a shot, even if they were opening.
Langer is another example, average a fraction of 20 for his first 8 tests. It took him 6 years of scoring mega runs in the SS to cement a regular spot in the team.

As a one day player, i think Lehmann has been very unlucky. But the question still remains - who will they drop. Darky said Steve Waugh should lessen his involvement in one day cricket. But Lehmann only averages 3 more runs than Steve Waugh and Waugh's impact fielding and presence on the field is worth about 20 more runs than whats Lehmann's is.
I still think Lehmann should be in the side - in place of Harvey. I think Harvey is the most overated cricketer is Australia at the moment. Being a prodimantely victorian forum i will cop some flack here, but what has Harvey done in any form of cricket.
In one-day international his batting average is 21, hes only taken 1 wicket per match (which for a allrounder isn't too bad). Economy rate 4.5 isn't too bad either.
First class cricket - batting average 29, pretty average, bowling average 29, not too bad. taken 2.5 wickets a game, which isn't anything great.
Australian one-day cricket- batting average 18, pretty oridnary. 1 wicket per match, average 28, econ. rate is 4.7, isn't great but nothing special.

This would be my test team and one day team:
Test - Slater, Katich/Love, Langer, M Waugh, S Waugh, Ponting, Gilchrist, Lee, Gillespie, Miller, McGrath.
One Day - Gilchrist, M Waugh, Ponting, Bevan, S Waugh, Lehmann, Symonds, B Lee, Warne, Gillespie, McGrath.

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I reckon Harvey and Martyn shouldn't have been in the one-day side at the start of the season, but it's hard to drop them now that they've both had very good series (albeit against shithouse opposition).
As for averages, Steve Waugh's average is only slightly less because he gets the not outs batting down the list (surprise, surprise). Mark Taylor averaged 32 in one-dayers (and scored at a similar rate to Boon and Slater, and faster than Marsh), yet most people thought he wasn't cut out for the one-day game. He was phased out as he got older, and I think Steve Waugh should have the same done, as he doesn't bowl anymore, his batting is not often used, and his fielding (while still sound) is no better than anybody else's in that side.
 
i see were your coming from darky, but i still don't agree.
taylor and healy were pushed aside for younger players, gilchrist (26) and a number of other players who were tried at opener - Maher (23), di Venuto (24) and Law (29).
All those players, except for Maher were young.
So if Steve Waugh were to leave the oneday scene and let Lehmann come into it, Lehmann will probably retire within the next 3 years, so the selectors might as well just stick with Waugh.
Anyway, i said Lehmann should be in the team, but i think he should be in for Harvey, not Waugh.

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what ever happened to just picking the best side ?

if Boof is the best player available why should he not be in the team ?

Since when was there a rule which said you must be under 25 ?

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Given Lehmann's consistency, form, and few injuries during his career, he will play more than another three years. I would be very surprised if he didn't go on until at least about age 36.
 

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