Early Sacking Predictions

[win1soon]

Under the pump.
Hyde,White,Moore,Tivendale,Casserly

Thoughts? and other players u would like to add to the list?

 

[SOLAK]

tambling

really needs to make his mark as a good footballer

its his 4th year if he doesnt perform he might get dropped into the vfl

 

[W. Smithers]

Moore, Meyer, Schulz, Hughes and Hyde.

From Carlton - Wiggins, Houlihan, the O'hAilpin clowns, Fisher, Gibbs, Walker, Bentick, Saddington, Ackland, Cloke, Betts, Bannister, Blackwell, Scotland and especially Waite 24 years old and hasn't shown a thing.

 

[one eyedtiger]

casserly has not been given a chance at AFL level, but i think if does not play this year he'll be gone. same thing with white, he's played a few games but really needs to cement his spot in the team quickly or he'll be gone. meyer im not sure, last year he was injured but like white has not played a lot of games at AFL level. Moore needs to show improvement this year but he's been looking ok.

 

[beaver fever]

IIRC Casserly is contracted until the end of 2009, so he is safe. Tambling will be a 200+ player for the RFC.

In my opinion the following players are up for a trip to dumpsville:
Hughes, White, Meyer, Schulz, Tivendale, Hyde and Howat with Johnson to retire.

 

[RichosGuns]

Back to the topic at hand:

The most obvious candidates:

- Kane Johnson, he is under the pump after a very ordinary year last year. He will be 30 odd by the end of the year and may be "asked" to retire if it's seen that he is out of our best 22 by season end

- Greg Tivendale, he is in our best 22, however if we get of to a bad start and say by round 10 where 2-8 and no final chance, he will be one of the first who gives up his spot in order to help the development of youth. More an age thing, as he showed last year that, despite critism, he is still one of our better mids (ain't saying much)

- Matt White, seemed to go backwards last year. He needs to step up into the midfield and dominate at Coburg as he isn't in our best 25 players and while he has good rebounding skills, speed and heart, he lacks defensive qualities. Has alot to do!

- Chris Hyde, similar to Tivendale in that he would probably get at least a starting gig on the bench in our best 22, but really needs to step up in order to avoid being pushed aside to develop promosing mids/HFF's like Conners, Edwards, Cotchin. He is supposibly having a big pre-season and in many eyes was the BOG in our praccy match. However he seems to be a player who is everywhere when we are winning, yet no where when where loosing.

- Kelvin Moore. He also meant to be having a stella pre-season and can add versitily with his solid hieght combining with the fact his has now filled out. He still doesn't really have a position. On his last chance. If he doesn't play 10-15 games with the likes of Rance and Gourdis developing, hes gawn!

- Jay Schultz. It's back of bust for Jay. He surely is on his last chance now. Too one demensional as a foward who never really even dominated at VFL level as a foward. If he is to make it as a back he has to improve his speed and skills as CHB is now one of the most attacking positions. I honestly can't see it happening, I hope I'm wrong

- Danny Meyer, the guy simply hasn't done enough. He is currently injured and will therefore have another limited pre-season. Nothing has really changed in regards to Meyer: he's still silky skilled but is still skinny as rake and simply tpo lazy. Maybe a move to the back flank might help him find more footy, but I simply don't know how where going to fit all these HBF's in.

 

[RichosGuns]

The smokeys (aka the guys after a bad start to the season begin to feel the pinch):

Luke McGuane. I'm a fan, and I think he was a realy bolter in '07 but he does need to improve his skills esspeacially now with the fact that we have more then 3 tall backman on our list. He has grunt and has bulked up a bit this pre-season, however if he find's himself in and out team or not in it at all come mid season while tall backs like Moore, Thursty, JON, Gourdis Silvester and Rance impress he could be trait bait or delisted by season end

Cleve Hughes: Everyone knows his storey. He has a fair bit of talent but the fact that he couldn't even crack the VFL seniors granny shows that, even though '07 was only this KP's second year, he still isn't where his potential suggest he should be. As he is a KPP and a relativly high pick, I think he will get another year regardless but he too has more competition then ever aswell.

JON: JON, JON, JON.... he was meant to be the next Adam Goodes. On the upside he has bulked up a bit and although his skills are sub-par and his vision is shithouse he can still find the ball. He was a speculative high pick which means, along with the fact he is a long-term wing/potential KP prospect, he will probably get a gig in '09. Still needs to show more and should aim for a minimum of 8 AFL games this year

Andrew Raines: I like Raines. However, in an attempt to be as impartial as possible I have to include him on this list. He still has two years on his contract so it would be highly unlikely that he is delisted. However, with the addition of McMohan, King, Morton, Conners, etc. he may find his was out of the team in '08. Needs to work on his skills, vision and the ability to run in a straight line. Has excellent aggression

Travis Casserly: I believe he too has two more years. However I can't imagine he would be on a whole lot of cash so unless he plays AFL in at least a few games this year, he SHOULD be gonski. No point holding onto players who are chronnically injury prone but have plenty of potential. Has filled out this pre-season which is good.

Angus Graham: Some may feel this is unwarrented but the fact is he needs to step up this year and become our second best ruckman. He will be going into his 3rd (or 4th?) year of AFL and needs to start dominating at Coburg now that we also have Putt and Cartlege on the rookie list + the fact we will likely pick up big Harrison Lee and have our eyes on Natanui if we have a bottom 4 finish next year

Mitch Morton: This kid may be silky skilled, but he should also be under the pump. In the reality he didn't do that much at the West Coast and a season coasting a Coburg would be enough for me to delist him. He should not come from the West with any immunity.


Other then this list all the rookies are obvioulsy also under the pump. I wouldn't be suprised if a player outside the dozen or so I've named is delisted or "forced" in to retirement either. I say this because how many people would have had Pat Bowden on their potential delisting lists last year? It might be a Cogs if he struggles to find his feet or Simmo or godforbid even Richo

 

[sante]

Way too early to even suggest names but players who need to have solid years and play most games to keep their spot on our list would be;

Matt White
Chris Hyde
Kel Moore
Jay Schulz
Danny Meyer
Cam Howat
Travis Casserly

 

[deliberate!!]

Too early to predict....
I'm ready to watch the season unfold. I hope the usual suspects perform this season. 3/4 of the season should be sufficient to see. If they've had enough chances......no excuses......for the betterment of our club as we try to go forward......then......without emotion.....without any more chances......we need to CULL THE CRAP!
We need to stop thinking about players we like.....and think about the club we love.
If you don't want to perform for OUR club with the great wages you get.....**** OFF!!

boom...boom



(how the **** didn't that 'Slovak' **** get a card?......lucky Carltank boy)

 

[Accepted 04]

Back to the topic at hand:

The most obvious candidates:

- Kane Johnson, he is under the pump after a very ordinary year last year. He will be 30 odd by the end of the year and may be "asked" to retire if it's seen that he is out of our best 22 by season end

- Greg Tivendale, he is in our best 22, however if we get of to a bad start and say by round 10 where 2-8 and no final chance, he will be one of the first who gives up his spot in order to help the development of youth. More an age thing, as he showed last year that, despite critism, he is still one of our better mids (ain't saying much)

- Matt White, seemed to go backwards last year. He needs to step up into the midfield and dominate at Coburg as he isn't in our best 25 players and while he has good rebounding skills, speed and heart, he lacks defensive qualities. Has alot to do!

- Chris Hyde, similar to Tivendale in that he would probably get at least a starting gig on the bench in our best 22, but really needs to step up in order to avoid being pushed aside to develop promosing mids/HFF's like Conners, Edwards, Cotchin. He is supposibly having a big pre-season and in many eyes was the BOG in our praccy match. However he seems to be a player who is everywhere when we are winning, yet no where when where loosing.

- Kelvin Moore. He also meant to be having a stella pre-season and can add versitily with his solid hieght combining with the fact his has now filled out. He still doesn't really have a position. On his last chance. If he doesn't play 10-15 games with the likes of Rance and Gourdis developing, hes gawn!

- Jay Schultz. It's back of bust for Jay. He surely is on his last chance now. Too one demensional as a foward who never really even dominated at VFL level as a foward. If he is to make it as a back he has to improve his speed and skills as CHB is now one of the most attacking positions. I honestly can't see it happening, I hope I'm wrong

- Danny Meyer, the guy simply hasn't done enough. He is currently injured and will therefore have another limited pre-season. Nothing has really changed in regards to Meyer: he's still silky skilled but is still skinny as rake and simply tpo lazy. Maybe a move to the back flank might help him find more footy, but I simply don't know how where going to fit all these HBF's in.

With Tivendale i believe that Connors is the younger and more talented version of him. But dont get me wrong i reckon that Tivendale is a great player bu i just think that Connors is just better

 

[Croat tiger]

If Schulz doesn't pull his finger out give him the flick at the end of the season.

 

[lousampi]

Terry Wallace will be the first sacking.

 

[sante]

Terry Wallace will be the first sacking.

$100 says he will be coach in 2009.

 

[lousampi]

$100 says he will be coach in 2009.

Mods, I object to this aggressive response, I am entitled to express my opinion, could be time for another yellow?

 

[sante]

Mods, I object to this aggressive response, I am entitled to express my opinion, could be time for another yellow?

And I gave you my opinion

 

[deliberate!!]

???

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

With Tivendale i believe that Connors is the younger and more talented version of him. But dont get me wrong i reckon that Tivendale is a great player bu i just think that Connors is just better

Completely different players. Tivendale is a quick-ish outside player with a long kick, but his one sided ness, short kicking, decision making and handballs are all below par. Connors is a silky skilled midfielder who can play inside or out, with great short kicking and decision making but he is quite slow and needs 1 more pre-season after this one to really fire.

Better comparison with tivendale is howat. Both one sided, both good athletes, both outside wingers, both soft.

 

[sante]

Completely different players. Tivendale is a quick-ish outside player with a long kick, but his one sided ness, short kicking, decision making and handballs are all below par. Connors is a silky skilled midfielder who can play inside or out, with great short kicking and decision making but he is quite slow and needs 1 more pre-season after this one to really fire.

Better comparison with tivendale is howat. Both one sided, both good athletes, both outside wingers, both soft.

Tivva isn't soft.

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

Tivva isn't soft.

I wouldnt exactly call him an enforcer though.

People call Joel Bowden soft but he takes on the strongest player on the ground, week in week out, despite giving away 5-10cm and 10-20kgs. If Joel is in any way soft, Tivendale is a marshmallow.

 

[hagansbull]

If Schulz doesn't pull his finger out give him the flick at the end of the season.

Think his contract runs out end 08 so will be interesting to see how he goes this season, good I hope.

 

[deliberate!!]

Tivva isn't soft.

Like most Richmond players of the past 20 years, when they grit their teeth and say stuff it, they will run head long into packs. But most of the time they think about the outcome, doubt themselves and take short steps. Tivendale will do some gutsy things, and at other times he will half put an arm out as a fake tackle, and times he gets pushed away or swatted like a fly from a pack or an opponent. Most Richmond players have been like that recently. Hope the young guys change that.

 

[tugga]

Like most Richmond players of the past 20 years, when they grit their teeth and say stuff it, they will run head long into packs. But most of the time they think about the outcome, doubt themselves and take short steps. Tivendale will do some gutsy things, and at other times he will half put an arm out as a fake tackle, and times he gets pushed away or swatted like a fly from a pack or an opponent. Most Richmond players have been like that recently. Hope the young guys change that.

Most Richmond players have been like that over the past 27 years because they haven't needed to be anything else.
A quarter of a decade of pandering to footballers who wouldn't otherwise get a game on any other list and they think they are all brownlow Medallists.
A third of a lifetime of pandering to players who don't have to work to get a game.
Tivendale is one of those. Bowden is another.

 

[Tambo]

You can never predict a player to be a likely delistment.

Foley was never meant/ expected to make it. Either was Tuck.

Most players mentioned are the younger crew, EG JON etc. Bugger all of a chance. If they dont produce in 2-3 years, lets **** em off.

All the ***** that mentioned Moore can get ****ed too. He has never been through one frikken season with out crap. Yeh he may be on his last chance, but perhaps support each player while they are at the ****ing club.

Have a think about the fact that younger players read around sites like this to see what the fans are thinking. JR, Hughes, Mcguane and a few others I know for a fact have been on bigfooty or had info passed onto them.

Leave this shit until the end of the season.

Providing andy Collins is on the list for the next 10 years IDGAF.

 

[sante]

You can never predict a player to be a likely delistment.

Foley was never meant/ expected to make it. Either was Tuck.

Why weren't Foley and Tuck meant to make the grade?

All the ***** that mentioned Moore can get ****ed too. He has never been through one frikken season with out crap. Yeh he may be on his last chance, but perhaps support each player while they are at the ****ing club.

Because every year Moore has produced nothing. We are allowed to speculate that he could be a delisting because he is 24 and has played a total of 24 games in 5 years.

- He averages under 8 disposals a game in his career
- Has never played more than 9 games in a season
- His career high in disposals is 15

FWIW, I think Moore will produce the goods this season and keep his spot again.

 

[Tambo]

Why weren't Foley and Tuck meant to make the grade?.

Im relating this to all previous pathetic threads which suggest such and such player wont be around next year. At the end of the season its fair to have a crack on who might go. But a lot can turn around in one season. Tuck and Foley are fantastic examples. Jackson may yet be another.

Because every year Moore has produced nothing. We are allowed to speculate that he could be a delisting because he is 24 and has played a total of 24 games in 5 years

- He averages under 8 disposals a game in his career
- Has never played more than 9 games in a season
- His career high in disposals is 15.

FWIW, I think Moore will produce the goods this season and keep his spot again.

Well maybe those stats are right, we should delist players based on stats rather than their involvement with in the club.