Full Metal Jacket

[King_Henry]

This has gotta be one of the best movies ever.

Don't you think?

"She love u good.. Boom boom long time."

 

[Stocka]

I think it's fairly over-rated as a film . . . although, each to their own tastes.

I tend to think that Sam Peckinpah's 'Cross of Iron' is a far better movie, of a similar concept (albeit, based around WW2).

 

[topdon]

I think the first 1/2 hour is the funniest i've seen ... the remainer ... well ... its ho-hum to say the least.

Some of Gunnery Sergeant Hartman quotes are the funniest you will ever hear. Here are a taste of some:


From:
http://us.imdb.com/Quotes?0093058

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Drill Instructor: What's your name fat-body?!?
Private Gomer Pyle: Sir, Leonard Lawrence, Sir!
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Drill Instructor: "Lawrence"?!? Lawrence what of Arabia?!?
Private Gomer Pyle: Sir, No, Sir!
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Drill Instructor: That name sounds like royalty are you royalty?!?
Private Gomer Pyle: Sir, No, Sir!
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Drill Instructor: Do you suck dicks?!?
Private Gomer Pyle: Sir, No, Sir!
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Drill Instructor: Bulls hit! I bet you could suck a golfball through a garden hose! I don't like the name Lawrence, only *** gots and sailors are called Lawrence! From now on you're Gomer Pyle!

Thats the pick of the bunch for mine ...

 

[King_Henry]

Originally posted by topdon
I think the first 1/2 hour is the funniest i've seen ... the remainer ... well ... its ho-hum to say the least.

Some of Gunnery Sergeant Hartman quotes are the funniest you will ever hear. Here are a taste of some:


From:
http://us.imdb.com/Quotes?0093058



Thats the pick of the bunch for mine ...

Yeh it did get stale.

It seems like there were two different movies. THe First half was nothing like the second.

Yet it was still great, i'm surprised people dont rate it. I must have bad taste

 

[Rohan_]

Platoon is a much better film. But Apocalypse Now is the best film about the Vietnam War.

 

[M29]

Yep. Got it a few weeks ago on DVD. One of the only Kubric films I can bare to watch. Other being the Shining. ("Here's Johnny!!!")
Best bit of the film:

"I am gunnery Sgt. Hartman your senior drill instructor. From now on you will only speak when spoken to, and the first and last words out of your filthy sewers will be sir. Do you maggots understand that?"

<Sir yes sir>

"Bullsh*t! I can't hear you. Sound off like you got a pair."

<Sir yes sir>

"If you ladies leave my island, if you survive recruit training, you will be a weapon. You will be a minister of death praying for war. But until that day you are pukes. You are the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even human f**king beings. You are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibian sh*t. Because I am hard. You will not like me; but the more you hate me the more you will learn. I am hard but I am fair. There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on ******s, kikes, whops or greasers. Here you are all equally worthless. And my orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved core. Do you maggots understand that?"

<Sir yes sir>

"Bullsh*t! I can't hear you"

<Sir yes sir>

"What's your name scumbag?"

<Sir Private Brown sir>

"Bullsh*t! From now on your Private Snowball. Do you like that name?"

<Sir yes sir>

"Well there's one thing that you won't like Private Snowball. They don't serve fried chicken and watermelon on a daily basis in my mess hall."

<Sir yes sir>

<Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?>

"Who said that? WHO THE F**K SAID THAT!? Who's the slimy little communist sh*t twinkle toed ********** down here who just signed his own death warrant? Nobody, hugh? The fairy f**king godmother said it. Out f**king standing. I will PT you all until you f**king die. I'll PT you until your assholes are sucking buttermilk. Was it you, you scroungey little f**k, hugh?

<Sir no sir>

"You little piece of sh*t. You look like a f**king worm. I'll bet it was
you."

<Sir no sir>

<Sir I said it sir>

"Well, no sh*t. What do we got here? A f**king commedien. Private Joker. I admire your honesty. Hell I like you. You can come over to my house and f**k my sister.

<punch>

You little scumbag. I got your name. I got your ass. You will not laugh, you will not cry. You will learn by the numbers. I will teach you. Now get up. Get on your feet. You had best not f**k yourself or I will unscrew your head and sh*t down your neck."

<Sir yes sir>

"Private Joker, why did you join my beloved core?"

<Sir to kill sir>

"So your a killer."

<Sir yes sir>

"Let me see your war face."

<Sir>

"You got a war face? Aaaaaahhhh! That's a war face. Now let me see your war face."

<Aaaahhhh!>

"Bullsh*t! You didn't convince me. Let me see your real war face."

<Aaaaahhhhh!>

"You don't scare me. Work on it."

<Sir yes sir>

"What's your excuse?"

<Sir excuse for what sir>

"I'm asking the f**king questions here private. Do you understand?"

<Sir yes sir>

"Well thank you very much. Can I be in charge for a while?"

<Sir yes sir>

"Are you shook up, are you nervous?"

<Sir I am sir>

"Do I make you nervous?"

<Sir...>

"Sir what? Were you about to call me an arseh*le?"

<Sir no sir>

"How tall are you private?"

<Sir 5'9 sir>

"5'9! I didn't know they stacked sh*t that high. Are you trying to squeeze
an inch on me somewhere? Hugh?"

<Sir no sir>

"Bullsh*t! It looks to me like the best part of you ran down the crack of your momma's ass and ended up as a brown stain on the mattress. I think you've been cheated. Where in the hell are you from anyway private?"

<Sir Texas sir?>

"Holy dogsh*t, Texas? Only steers and queers come from Texas Private Cowboy. And you don't much look like a steer so that kinda narrows it down. Do you suck dicks?"

<Sir no sir>

"Are you a peter pumper?"

<Sir no sir>

"I'll bet your the kind of guy who would f**k a person in the ass and not even have the God damn common courtesy to give them a reach around. I'll be watching you."

"Did your parents have any children that lived?"

<Sir yes sir>

"I bet they regret that. Your so ugly you could be a modern art masterpiece. What's your name fat body?"

<Sir Leonard Lawrence sir>

"Lawrence, Lawrence what, of Arabia?"

<Sir no sir>

"That name sounds like royalty. Are you royalty?"

<Sir no sir>

"Do you suck dicks?"

<Sir no sir>

"Bullsh*t! I'll bet you could suck a golf ball through a garden hose."

<Sir no sir>

"I don't like the name Lawrence. Only ******s and sailors are called Lawrence. From now on your Gommer Pile."

<Sir yes sir>

"Do you think I'm cute Private Pile, do you think I'm funny?"

<Sir no sir>

"Then pipe that disgusting grin off your face."

<Sir yes sir>

"Well any f**king time sweetheart."

<Sir I'm trying sir>

"Private Pile, I'm going to give you three seconds, exactly three f**king seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull f**k you. One...two...three!"

<Sir I can't help it sir>

"Bullsh*t! Get on your knees scumbag. Now choke yourself. God damn it, with my hand numbnuts. Don't pull my f**king hand over there. I said choke your- self. Now lean forward and choke yourself. Are you through grinning?"

<Sir yes sir>

"Bullsh*t! I can't hear you."

<Sir yes sir>

"Bullsh*t! I still can't hear you. Sound off like you got a pair."

<Sir yes sir>

"That's enough. Get on your feet. Private Pile, you had best square your ass away and start sh*tting me Tiffany cufflinks or I will definitely f**k you up."

<Sir yes sir>

And this Gem:

Tonight, you ladies will sleep with your rifles. You will give your rifle a girl's name, because from now on this is the only pussy you people are going to get !! Your days of fingerbanging Old Mary-Jane Rottencrotch through her purty pink panties, are over !! You're married to this weapon of iron and wood. And you will be faithful ladies !!

I've got platoon ripped that on me comp courtesy of the local video store.

 

[King_Henry]

"This is my rifle... This is my gun.... This is for shooting... This is for fun"

 

[topdon]

Class!!!

 

[Z_K]

Originally posted by Rohan_
Platoon is a much better film. But Apocalypse Now is the best film about the Vietnam War.

Got both on DVD.

I concur Rohan. Apocolypse Now disturbs me greatly.

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by King_Henry
Yet it was still great, i'm surprised people dont rate it. I must have bad taste

I reckon a lot of people rate it pretty highly, which is probably why I don't, as perhaps I was expecting it to be more than what it actually is.

Some parts of the movie are great (as evidenced by the posts above), although, to me, it just didn't stack up to other efforts that I had seen, and have seen since.

I guess it all depends on what you feel Kubrick was actually trying to achieve, or say, in the film.

It's good enough to watch it again (or just to watch altogether to begin with), although, not in the class that I'd recommend it as being the "best" war film that I've ever seen.

 

[Stocka]

I still think Kubrick's bests films are 'A Clockwork Orange' and 'Dr.Strangelove or "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb'.

'A Clockwork Orange' is also a great read, as a book (by Anthony Burgess). It would have to be one of the few novels that has actually been just as good when reproduced into film format. I really can't separate the two mediums, in regards to which is better. I reckon this is a rare feat.

 

[Z_K]

Originally posted by Stocka
I still think Kubrick's bests films are 'A Clockwork Orange'

Saw it for the first time last year.

Don't even know where to begin describing how I felt while watching it. I don't know if it is possible to "enjoy" this movie.

 

[M29]

Originally posted by Stocka
I still think Kubrick's bests films are 'A Clockwork Orange'

Sorry, I'm with northbhoy. It was just way to morbid.

 

[M29]

Originally posted by topdon
I think the first 1/2 hour is the funniest i've seen ...

Here's why Adge!

"You got a war face? Aaaaaahhhh! That's a war face. Now let me see your war face."

"You little scumbag. I got your name. I got your ass. You will not laugh, you will not cry. You will learn by the numbers. I will teach you. Now get up. Get on your feet. You had best not f**k yourself or I will unscrew your head and sh*t down your neck."

"Do you think I'm cute Private Pile, do you think I'm funny?"

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by NorthBhoy


Saw it for the first time last year.

Don't even know where to begin describing how I felt while watching it. I don't know if it is possible to "enjoy" this movie.

To me, that's the whole point of it though - to take you away from that realm in which most movies make you feel as though you can rightfully empathise with the lead character.

In ACO (both the book and the movie), the lead character Alex, is the narrator and tells the story from his point of view. Right throughout the story, he is the one who is trying to gain the audience's approval, their empathy, their understanding.

However, due to the horrific nature of Alex's acts, the viewer/reader is torn between wanting to hate Alex, and partly wanting to engage with him, in the manner in which they have previously engaged with other 'heroes' or lead characters in movies/books.

In most similar cases, you always try to look for the 'good' in the lead character, and try to uphold this even if the same character is flawed in other areas. Yet, ACO is entirely different, in that while Alex tries to engage your empathy, he is not offering anything resembling a 'good' side in any of his actions. You aren't faced with trying to weigh up the 'good' versus the 'bad' - you're merely left to watch the story in horror, but at the same time, empathising with the evil perspective of the story teller, merely just to follow the story through.

It's a brilliant piece of writing for this very reason, IMO. I'd agree that it's hard to say that you "enjoy" the film, by the very nature of the horrific acts that it depicts - however, in the sense of separating yourself from the perspective of a "normal" viewer, you can really see how this movie (and also the book), is such a brilliant, and powerful piece.

To tell someone that you 'enjoy' ACO (or at least think that it's a good film), you really have to be prepared to spend 30 minutes in order to explain "why" this is the case, based on the artistic content, rather than the 'actual' content on face-value (or risk sounding like some deranged maniac!).

Likewise, there is also the whole philosophical question over who is 'right' and 'wrong', and whether or not society should impose such measures as to control the activities of people, according to whether they are 'right' or 'wrong'.

 

[Leaping Linder]

Originally posted by Stocka
I think it's fairly over-rated as a film . . . although, each to their own tastes.

I tend to think that Sam Peckinpah's 'Cross of Iron' is a far better movie, of a similar concept (albeit, based around WW2).

Hear Hear. Brilliant movie and greatly underated!

 

[Z_K]

Originally posted by Stocka


To me, that's the whole point of it though - to take you away from that realm in which most movies make you feel as though you can rightfully empathise with the lead character.

In ACO (both the book and the movie), the lead character Alex, is the narrator and tells the story from his point of view. Right throughout the story, he is the one who is trying to gain the audience's approval, their empathy, their understanding.

However, due to the horrific nature of Alex's acts, the viewer/reader is torn between wanting to hate Alex, and partly wanting to engage with him, in the manner in which they have previously engaged with other 'heroes' or lead characters in movies/books.

In most similar cases, you always try to look for the 'good' in the lead character, and try to uphold this even if the same character is flawed in other areas. Yet, ACO is entirely different, in that while Alex tries to engage your empathy, he is not offering anything resembling a 'good' side in any of his actions. You aren't faced with trying to weigh up the 'good' versus the 'bad' - you're merely left to watch the story in horror, but at the same time, empathising with the evil perspective of the story teller, merely just to follow the story through.

It's a brilliant piece of writing for this very reason, IMO. I'd agree that it's hard to say that you "enjoy" the film, by the very nature of the horrific acts that it depicts - however, in the sense of separating yourself from the perspective of a "normal" viewer, you can really see how this movie (and also the book), is such a brilliant, and powerful piece.

To tell someone that you 'enjoy' ACO (or at least think that it's a good film), you really have to be prepared to spend 30 minutes in order to explain "why" this is the case, based on the artistic content, rather than the 'actual' content on face-value (or risk sounding like some deranged maniac!).

Likewise, there is also the whole philosophical question over who is 'right' and 'wrong', and whether or not society should impose such measures as to control the activities of people, according to whether they are 'right' or 'wrong'.

Nah, you're a deranged maniac

Honestly, the film had me gobsmacked. I can sit through anything as a rule, but this one hit me right between the eyes. I can't even tell you why.

As you said, you could discuss the film for ages. I might get it out again now that you mention it. I watched it with my girlfriend at the time, and she was disgusted. She would not accept the movie in anyway, and was convinced it was Kubrick simply being a sick MF. Yeah, real brainy. ****ed her off quick sticks.

Can you even call it a good film?

Know what I mean?

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by NorthBhoy


Nah, you're a deranged maniac

Honestly, the film had me gobsmacked. I can sit through anything as a rule, but this one hit me right between the eyes. I can't even tell you why.

I know what you mean. The first time I watched it (in a cinema, as it happened to be), I was getting ready to run out screaming at various moments during the film!

It is damn scary - not because of any special effects, but just because of the reasons I mentioned earlier, that being, just the horrific nature of what is happening in the film, with the actual narrator of the story seemingly having no regard for his actions apart from his own selfish desires.

I think Alex is very much a prototype for all those REALLY bad teens out there.

Originally posted by NorthBhoy
As you said, you could discuss the film for ages. I might get it out again now that you mention it. I watched it with my girlfriend at the time, and she was disgusted. She would not accept the movie in anyway, and was convinced it was Kubrick simply being a sick MF. Yeah, real brainy. ****ed her off quick sticks.

Very few chicks ever want to see this film, and IMO, it's certainly not a good idea to ever take a chick to see this film - especially if you are unsure as to whether or not the particular girl in question is "into" different types of movies (and has possibly seen worse beforehand). But even for analytical thinkers, or those artistically minded (ie: right brain thinkers!), it can still just be way too much to handle.

From my experiences, girls just DO NOT want to look at the film in an analytical or artistic sense, as they are polarised into seeing the film on a "face value" level, basically due to the violent/sexual content (well, with chicks being r*ped and beaten up in the film and all, it's not hard to understand why girls would be affected in this manner as viewers).

Originally posted by NorthBhoy
Can you even call it a good film?

Know what I mean?

I guess it depends on how you look at it. On face value, no, it's impossible to say it's a good film - unless of course, you have a predisposition for those types of actions and attitudes (which I guess is an issue which is encountered in the film/book - does everyone have some sort of similar desires deep down, large or small? Hmmm.).

But on an analytical and artistic level, for the reasons I mentioned in my earlier post, I believe the film absolutely excells. For the very fact that seeing the film took me out of the "normal" filmviewing experience, and made me think and talk about it for long after, garners the film a brilliant rating from me. But for people who don't do that type of thing (ie: talk about a film and analyse it), then I certainly wouldn't recommend seeing it.

The film, I believe, has very little short-term viewing benefit, apart from those who are into the "horror" genre (although, this isn't particularly horror, but rather horrific).

It's very much like Schindler's List in this regard. I can't really say it's a good film . . . but it's a brilliant piece of art, a masterpiece of film.

 

[jim boy]

Originally posted by Stocka


I reckon a lot of people rate it pretty highly, which is probably why I don't, as perhaps I was expecting it to be more than what it actually is.

Some parts of the movie are great (as evidenced by the posts above), although, to me, it just didn't stack up to other efforts that I had seen, and have seen since.

I guess it all depends on what you feel Kubrick was actually trying to achieve, or say, in the film.

It's good enough to watch it again (or just to watch altogether to begin with), although, not in the class that I'd recommend it as being the "best" war film that I've ever seen.

I first saw it on it's initial cinematic release and I didn't really rate it. I guess, as you said, if you are expecting another thing then you can be disappointed. But then I got it out again recently, and I loved it, the whole thing, not just the first half-hour. Amazing that the whole thing was shot in the UK.

It's hard to rate war films in general though. Full Metal Jacket is well crafted but sometimes lacks in delivering it's message. War films in general are hard to rate. Apocalypse Now might be a great film, but for me it's not much of a war film, just a story set within a war zone. One of my favourite war films, and a Kubrick film to boot, is Paths of Glory. Really packs a punch and was banned in France for years. Probably the only decent thing that Kirk Douglas has ever done.